From: SQUONKSTAIL@aol.com
Date: Wed Jun 18 2003 - 12:19:50 BST
So, whether or not Pirsig has said as much, I think it is legitimate to say
that the intellectual level *in humans* is less than 3000 years old. On the
other hand, I would regard intellect (though perhaps needing a more
grandiose term, like Logos) to have been "in existence" from the beginning,
that all static patterns are in some sense "intellectual". If one doesn't
want to go that far (it is kind of esoteric, to be sure), then one can say
that it has been "around" all through the social level, but doesn't emerge
as its own level until the Greeks.
The implication of this is that it is only with its emergence in humans that
we can see DQ operating in it, that is, to purposefully work and be creative
on that level.
- Scott
Hello Scott,
I have no idea where this confusion came from, but it appears to be deeply
ingrained and has permeated the forum for quite some time. However, it must be
put to rest, because it is quite simply incorrect.
There is no contradiction in the quotes Paul has cited. The confusion is
centred upon what happened when Intellectual values were changed in the Dynamic
social institutions of ancient Greece.
Intellectual patterns were exceptionally rich and varied well before ancient
Greece, in Asia, China, India, and had been for so long that we have little
idea how long. This must be understood.
Ancient Greece tried to encapsulate social quality with intellectual
patterns. That was the big move. Indian culture lives in harmony with its intellectual
and social patterns. That is better i feel. It is the relationship between
Social and Intellectual patterns that ancient Greece changed - no level sprang
into existence or emerged suddenly like a howling wind in the night of thought.
Indian thought gives more weight to DQ/SQ tension in all processes - there is
no substance ontology, but there is process ontology. The Greeks gave us
things and left us wondering what they do and what good they are!!!
squonk
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