From: Joe (jhmau@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon Jun 23 2003 - 00:47:04 BST
On 19 June 2003 10:11 AM Ian writes:
Hi Ian, Hello I'm Joe,
joe: knowledge and communication struggle with each other. I may know something, but stammering can cause problems. IMO Pirsig points to an intuitive, instinctive sense of reality that precedes abstraction. Intuition is individual, it is hard to communicate. One way I create a bridge for communication is to say 'I believe." Ignore me if you don't want to talk about it.
Intuition: I use words to represent patterns of my experience. The patterns are composed of an instinctive aspect of existence, purpose, quality latched into a static pattern to which I assign words. In this way, if I speak from myself, I create words for the patterns, and hopefully they are the same words other people for their patterns of experience. I am offended if you simple ignore or negate these words, though I may not be offended if you ignore my beliefs. To each his own.
How in hell can I communicate anything new? What if I am wrong? In this case the bridge of communications becomes 'we do a lot of the same things, let us find common lground. We were once all children. We were once all students.
I assume communicatikon is beneficial. "Knowledge models that better capture the true 'irrationality' of human orginazations", is a rough place to start. I suppose a common experience of moral orders, and an instinctive sensing or reality preceding abstraction, might be a toopick in the door.
Joe
The reason I'm interested, is that I'm on a research "quest" for knowledge models that better capture the true "irrationality" ( I use scare quotes BTW) of human organisations. Unlike some of you I suspect, I'm less concerned whether the MoQ can be shown to be the best basis for enlightenment and a philosophy of everything since the pre-Socratics (I merely have to believe it). I have very pragmatic aims in achieving something beneficially useful - valued in Pirsig's sense - in everyday nine-to-five life - commercial exploitation being merely a possible bonus opportunity of "value". (I actually happen to believe Pirsig had similar pragmatic aims, not just stated, but also apparent in his allegorical halt before the "summit" of Mt Blackmore, and many more analogies he uses.) Anyway enough about Pirsig ;-)
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