From: SQUONKSTAIL@aol.com
Date: Fri Jun 27 2003 - 12:34:45 BST
So, yes, the intellectual level is more than the S/O divide, but also yes,
it depended on the S/O divide to exist as a new level. Now you mentioned
that I didn't press this enough with Squonk, but as I said to him, I'm not
all that concerned with preserving the word "intellectual" in naming this
level. Whatever the name, I would say the fourth level begins with the human
mind learning to separate reality into subjects and objects. Until then, all
thinking, all symbol manipulation, was determined by social and biological
concerns, and was not seen as an independent activity of the individual.
- Scott
Hi Scott,
Thank you for being fair.
I feel far too much emphasis has been placed upon the so called S/O divide.
Far too much. Way, way too much.
The fact is, people differentiated along these lines long before ancient
Greece.
Family homes, 6000 years old, discovered in far reaches of the UK display
ornaments set upon tables, just like we do today. They were sophisticated, and
lived in a manner we would find startlingly close to our own.
The significance of Greece in ZAMM is the emergence of reason. That does not
even require Subjects and Objects, as you point out with your example of
mathematics. These relationships (3-4-5, etc.) were originally incorporated into
religious practice, but later seen as immutable like the Gods.
Reason. That's what it's about - and that relies upon truth. The combination
of reason and a concept of immutable substance crystallised intellectual
patterns. That is what Bo incessantly goes on about - calling this 'the birth of
the intellect.' It's nonsense. Absolute nonsense. Significant yes! But birth of
the intellect? Not at all. Birth of reason - speculative thought yes! Birth of
the intellect? No way man.
But people still wore head gear before this time; they still understood that
the head was delicate; and today we can understand the same importance,
without recourse to mind or brains. Like yourself, i do not advocate mind/matter or
brain/mind notions, but i would not wish for anyone to whack me over the head
with a baseball bat thank you very much!
squonk
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