RE: MD Introduction and Questions

From: Ian Glendinning (ian@psybertron.org)
Date: Sun Jun 29 2003 - 16:22:36 BST

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    Platt said
    > Just trying to discover your underlying beliefs. :-) Do you agree with
    > Pirsig's criteria for truth?
    > "The tests of truth are logical consistency, agreement with experience,
    > and economy of explanation." (8)

    Is that (8) a direct "quote" from Lila ?

    How shall I put this ?
    I believe the MoQ (as I understand it) is the best fit with the world I
    find.
    That doesn't mean Pirig's every word is the last word on the subject,
    however ...

    Logically consistent - yes, but there's more than one kind of logic
    Agree with experience - yes, but experienced by who, and by what means.
    Economy of explanation - yes, convenient, but as I've said before ...

    "We must avoid cutting our own throats with Occam's razor."

    So OK as far as it goes, but the above definition seems to omit the moral
    levels, and the static / dynamic distinction. Like quality itself, I'm not
    sure truth has the luxury of a "tight" definition.

    Ian

    -----Original Message-----
    From: owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk
    [mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk]On Behalf Of Platt Holden
    Sent: 30 June 2003 15:23
    To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    Subject: RE: MD Introduction and Questions

    Hi Ian,

    > Platt, you said ..
    > > If Quality is the standard,
    > > don't you have to presuppose that Quality is a fact regardless of
    > > context?
    >
    > This contains it's own answer ...

    And the answer is . . .?

    > You start with "if" indicating some doubt.
    > You "presuppose" which is pretty close to "believe" for my purposes.

    Are there good and not so good "presuppostions?" Should assumptions be
    based on empirical evidence? presuppositions

    > How do you tell when I speak the truth ?
    > Tough one.
    > You may believe I speak honestly - I believe I do, so I hope you can. How
    > you tell whether I speak the truth depends on what you believe.
    >
    > If I / you / we happen to believe the MoQ is in fact about as close to an
    > absolute / universal view of the world, the I / you we are happy to choose
    > that standard of truth. But I cannot see how we get away from having to
    > believe in the first place.
    >
    > This wasn't meant to be controversial.

    Just trying to discover your underlying beliefs. :-) Do you agree with
    Pirsig's criteria for truth?

    "The tests of truth are logical consistency, agreement with experience,
    and economy of explanation." (8)

    Platt

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