From: Valence (valence10@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri Jul 04 2003 - 14:12:17 BST
Hey Anthony,
Thanks for those great sites. Those pictures are incredible.
take care
rick
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Subject: MD 1967 or 1968 ?
> Rick said:
>
> > Hey again Ian,
>
> > I remembered that our old-forum cohort Anthony McWatt once pointed out
"The
> > first academic paper Pirsig wrote on Quality was 'Quality in Freshman
Composition'
> > delivered at the Rocky Mountain Modern Language Association regional
convention
> > on October 13th 1961." This would probably place Pirsig's thoughts on
Quality
> > around 59 when he started teaching rhetoric...
>
>
> Ian said:
>
> > As a newbie I'm presuming I'm still allowed to ask naive questions....
;-)
>
> > I cannot find any categorical statements about the year of the ZMM trip.
Some infer 1967, some
> 1968.
>
> > A point I find intriguing is that if it was 1968 (as can easily be
inferred from the 25th >
> edition notes, including the 1968 letters between Pirsig and the
publisher), then he
> > had the publication of a book planned before he made the trip, which
will cast a
> > whole new light next time I re-read it.
>
> > So was it 1968, or was it '67 ?
>
>
> Dear Ian,
>
> As an "old forum-cohort" from '98, I can tell you that the ZMM trip
occurred in '68.
>
> Further confirmation for this is given by Pirsig himself on Henry Gurr's
website devoted to the
> ZMM route at:
>
> www.zmmquality.org
>
> In the photo gallery section, Pirsig states the following below PHOTOGRAPH
G "TROUTD~1.TIF":
>
> Gennie DeWeese and neighbor's boy.--This is how Gennie looked in the
summer of '68. The scene is
> described in Chap. 14 where Gennie says, "Some neighbors just came over
with a mess of trout for
> dinner. I'm so pleased. 'I try to think of something appropriate to say,
but just nod.'" Gennie
> told me later she would never have said a thing like that, but it was too
late to change it.
> [ZMM page 138]
>
> BTW, Henry Gurr has said to me recently that his site has only had
relatively few visitors.
>
> This seems a pity as it has a number of high quality photographs taken by
Pirsig on the actual
> trip in 1968 as well as more recent photographs taken by Gurr of the ZMM
route. Gurr is also
> developing a number of interesting sections such as "ZMM Stories" (e.g.
Thomas J. Steele's
> account of his visit to the De Weeses in 1987) and "ZMM Oral History".
It's definitely worth
> checking out.
>
> Finally, to briefly add to Rick's useful comment about Verne Dusenberry.
The biography he cites
> is actually derived from a more detailed one at the Montana State
University Library's website
> at:
>
> http://www.lib.montana.edu/collect/spcoll/findaid/85015.html#Contents
>
> In addition, I recently discovered that Dusenberry's 1962 Ph.D. ("The
Montana Cree: A Study in
> Religious Persistence") is available on Amazon.com with a new 1998 preface
by his daughter
> Lynne. The preface mentions LILA and gives some added insight into why
Pirsig featured
> Dusenberry in his book.
>
> I hope the above is some help to you, Ian!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Anthony McWatt
>
>
>
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