From: johnny moral (johnnymoral@hotmail.com)
Date: Mon Jul 14 2003 - 21:48:57 BST
Hi Pi,
>Hi Johnny,
>
>Thanks for pointing out that those words I used to define intellectual
>patterns have a strong social pattern influence. It further strengthens my
>point that intellectual (and other) patterns are fluid. They show aspects
>of other levels of patterns. Overall there is a lot of overlap and this
>makes it very hard to cleanly seperate one pattern from another.
>
>Maybe it would be better to say that intellectual patterns are those
>patterns that vanish once we die.
That would be exactly how I would not define it. The thought patterns that
die with us are biological thoughts. Intellectual thoughts live on society,
are about society. Please consider the computer/novel heirarchy. Do you
see how the fourth level must exist on top of the third, not the second?
>Although, there are once again exceptions to this. Plato died but his
>intellectual patterns are still around.
Plato may have been the original conveyor of those intellectual patterns,
but they came from society. Plato himself was a product of society. If the
stork had made a wrong turn and dropped him off in Japan, he wouldn't have
had those same thoughts. Likewise, if another stork dropped someone else
into Plato's shoes he'd have Plato's thoughts (OK, and say gave him the same
DNA, just so he wouldn't be tempted to become a football player instead of a
philosopher, but I don't think his thoughts came from his DNA). The
intellectual patterns are products of society, are about society, and find
people to be conveyers, if they are fit enough.
I am hoping someone will address this (the computer/novel analogy, and the
intellectual level being about society and created by society) directly.
I've run it up the flagpole, does anyone salute?
>And the 'huh?' in the subject was not supposed to show my mystification.
>See my original post for this thread. :)
Yeah, saw it.
>Cheers,
>
>- Pi
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