RE: MD Philosophers and Poets

From: Ian Glendinning (ian@psybertron.org)
Date: Sun Jul 20 2003 - 12:25:01 BST

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Scott said
[Quote
they are "the universe is meaningless" types.
[Unquote]

I'm no expert on Woody Allen, but my positive spin would be to suggest that
writers / commentators like these are pointing out that life is indeed
meaningless, (and poking fun at it),

** ONLY IF **

you believe science is the answer to everything. Or if you try to couch
extreme human stories in the language of science (even science-fiction) what
you get is ludicrous.

It's been the job of fools and court-jesters to point these things out,
since, well, since anyone was in a position to say who was an irrational
fool in the first place - Aristotle perhaps ;-).

Regards,
Ian

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk
[mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk]On Behalf Of Scott R
Sent: 19 July 2003 03:14
To: moq_discuss@moq.org
Subject: Re: MD Philosophers and Poets

Ian,

> Scott [Quote]
> His humor is based on taking for granted that the universe is
fundamentally
> meaningless.
> [Unquote]
>
> So, given the clue that it was his humour, do you think he actually
believed
> that, or was he perhaps being ironic ?

My impression was that he was poking fun at those who tried to find meaning
in a meaningless universe, not at those who found the universe meaningless.
I mean, who's ox is gored when you are wanting some deep and profound answer
to life, the universe and everything, and get the answer '42'?

>
> (Or perhaps your own levels of humour are just too convoluted for me.)

I find his books hilarious, and I also like Woody Allen and Kurt Vonnegut,
who seem to me to be coming at the whole mishmosh in the same way, and I
know

- Scott

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk
> [mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk]On Behalf Of Scott R
> Sent: 18 July 2003 05:25
> To: moq_discuss@moq.org
> Subject: Re: MD Philosophers and Poets
>
>
> Ian,
>
>
> > Scott - if DNA was a SOMite then there's no hope for any of us :-)
>
> That's my take (about Adams, not there is no hope for any of us :-). His
> humor is based on taking for granted that the universe is fundamentally
> meaningless, which is the logical conclusion of the materialist branch of
> SOM.
>
> - Scott
>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk
> > [mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk]On Behalf Of Scott R
> > Sent: 17 July 2003 21:02
> > To: moq_discuss@moq.org
> > Subject: Re: MD Philosophers and Poets
> >
> >
> > Rick,
> >
> > However, D.A. was a SOMite, which is to say under the impression that a
> > theory is there to answer exactly what the [objective]Universe is for
and
> > why it is here. The MOQ, however, has successfully moved beyond this
into
> a
> > more postmodern,...wait...I seem to be
> > fading........................................
> >
> > > I love Douglas Adams. So I just had to throw this one out for
> > entertainment
> > > purposes...
> > >
> > > "There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers
> > > exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will
> > > instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more
> > > bizarrely inexplicable.
> > > There is another theory which states that this has already happened."
> > >
> > > take care
> > > rick
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Sam Norton" <elizaphanian@tiscali.co.uk>
> > > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 4:58 AM
> > > Subject: Re: MD Philosophers and Poets
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Ian, all,
> > > >
> > > > On this topic:
> > > >
> > > > Keats: ""I am certain of nothing but of the holiness of the Heart's
> > > affections and the truth of the
> > > > Imagination--what the imagination seizes as Beauty must be
> > Truth--whether
> > > it existed before or
> > > > not...The imagination my be compared to Adam's dream--he awoke and
> found
> > > it truth."
> > > >
> > > > "Beauty is truth, truth beauty,' - That is all
> > > > Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know. "
> > > >
> > > > I'm re-reading Dirk Gently at the moment (which contains the first
> > > quotation above).
> > > >
> > > > Sam
> > > >
> > > >
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