From: skutvik@online.no
Date: Sun Jul 20 2003 - 16:26:18 BST
Hi Rick.
6 July you wrote:
(me prev.)
> Rick correctly observed that the static hierarchy is
> > NOT post-intellectual-LEVEL. What he calls "intellect" is of course
> > the dynamics that brought Intellect out of Society.
> R
> No. That's not what I was calling "intellect". The "intellect" that
> I was referring to is something that exists prior to all 4 levels and
> DQ (prior to any categorizations of experience at all!), and
> subsequent only to the one, undivided Quality.
Here we go again about the map metaphor. Is there a terrain that the
SOM and the MOQ are maps over? In my opinion not, a metaphysics
IS the ultimate reality and we end up in the infinite regress problem
here unless that is heeded. Lower down you say that Quality is the
one undivided reality ...etc. so what - then - is that "intellect" prior to
DQ?
Such a "superintellct" is also an intellectual patterns and require a
hyper-super intellect which precedes IT ..and so on. You (all) refuse
the SOL-interpretation that cuts this Gordic clean off and continue to
look upon reality through intellect's glasses which creates this infinite
regress of "intellects".
And the annotating Pirsig hasn't helped much. For example by first
saying this....
> “The main danger to the MOQ from subject-object
> thinking at present seems to be when it tries in a
> conventional way to encase values and declare them to
> be either objects or thoughts. Lila’s Child p503
...and then go on to defining Q-intellect as "thinking" and saying that
the MOQ is just another intellectual pattern ...a THOUGHT which he
calls the greatest danger to the MOQ.
We do the MOQ a great disservice by believing that RMP can fathom
all ramifications of this fantastic "program" and treat his words like
Muslim Imams do the Koran. I'm sure he won't be very upset by us
pointing to bugs and try to weed them out. And the "thinking/mind-
intellect" is THE monster bug.
Bo
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