From: Jonathan B. Marder (jonathan.marder@newmail.net)
Date: Wed Jul 23 2003 - 18:08:01 BST
Hi Rick, (David B.), and all,
RICK to Jonathan [edited by J]
In your first sentence you correctly noted that my argument was that the
'4th level intellect' and the 'pre/post intellect' are not the same thing.
[snip] you need to show that both "intellects" are, in fact, the same [to
support
your objection] that I'm putting the one and only "intellect" into two
different
parts of the MoQ.
Jonathan replies:
Fair point, but I can equally well throw it back at you and ask you to show
the difference.
Why use the same word when you mean two different things? Are you sure they
are different?
RICK
<<<In LILA (ch12 p172) Pirsig claims that if you construct an encyclopedia
> of
> four topics- Inorganic, Biological, Social and Intellectual- nothing is
left
> out (except DQ)....
> Jonathan replied
> ... something is ALWAYS left out ...and what is left out is
> Dynamic Quality.
R
I agree with all of this, but I don't see how it answers my objection. I
agree that DQ is always left out. But no *static* patterns should be
excluded.
JONATHAN retorts
As I see it, there are an infinity of potential SQ patterns which may be
left out.
One can never be sure of encompassing them all within a metaphysical
hierarchy.
David B. may claim that everything fits neatly, but you show me a
classification
(e.g. Pirsig's 4 levels), and I'll find you some platypi.
Rick, you asked me to elaborate more on abstract concepts and levels of
awareness. I think that is best left for another post, but let me leave you
with a relevant quote from the founder of this discussion group:
DIANA http://www.moq.org/old_lilasquad/9806/0030.html
There's static sentience and dynamic sentience and the sentience of an
atom is very different from the sentience of a Texan, but they are all
types of experience and consequently value
Jonathan
BTW Rick, I agree that we probably don't disagree very much.
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