From: Scott R (jse885@spinn.net)
Date: Fri Jul 25 2003 - 18:30:01 BST
Brian,
> Which brings up another point (perhaps for another time, but oh well): The
> ZAMM Quality is something that we can actively pursue. Dynamic Quality
seems
> like an intellectualization of this Quality, and becomes hard to search
out,
> because it is now strictly defined, even if that definition is "change
which
> cannot be statically defined." I find it hard to base my actions on a
> "Dynamic Quality" because, to tell you truth, deep down as a human being,
I
> don't really understand what that means.
I don't think one should try to base one's actions on DQ. The idea is more
to be aware of when you are acting as a result of SQ (on any level except
maybe the inorganic), and to question it. That allows DQ to act through you
more.
Intellectually I can understand it
> in the scope of the MOQ, but outside of this context, it suddenly has no
> meaning to me. A human being is more than just an intellectual static
> pattern of value, we are comprised of, and also comprise to a certain
> extent, all 4 levels of the MOQ, and so an intellectualized concept of
> Quality cannot apply to our entire humanity.
We are also (like everything) comprised of DQ, though we can't point to it
in ourselves.
>
> So my ultimate point is, is the MOQ a subtle byproduct of Quality, that is
> useful for Pirsig and some others, but perhaps not useful to all? Is the
MOQ
> an absolute truth?
>
> My ideas at this point in time (subject to change within the next few
> moments) are currently leaning towards "no", because the MOQ appears to me
> to be entirely an intellectualization, and thus is effective or even
> meaningful at all only in the context of the intellect level, because it
is
> purely a product of this level.
>
> But hey, Pirsig himself said something similar to this in Lila when
talking
> about the immorality of building an intellectual metaphysics around the
> concept of Quality. Already with this message I have fallen into the same
> trap, I believe :).
You might want to look at my post (sent with this) in the "The Intellectual
Level" thread, and see how it applies to your questions. For one thing, I
think it addresses the supposed "immorality of building an intellectual
metaphysics around the concept of Quality" issue.
- Scott
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