From: Erin N. (enoonan@kent.edu)
Date: Mon Aug 11 2003 - 02:38:39 BST
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>Erin and all MOQers:
>
>Erin said:
>I'm beginning to think you associate those who agree with you on an issue
>as "intellectual" and those that don't as "social".
>
>dmb answered:
>Obviously, agreement with me is not the determining factor. But I DO think
>we can see the clash between social and intellectual values in the conflict
>between today's conservatives and liberals. The so-called "cultures war" is
>largely a battle between social and intellectual values and so its only
>natural that we can detect the values at play when we discuss these
>political issues. And what I'm saying about Platt is that he invariably
>asserts 3rd level values whenever such topics arise. Lots and lots of people
>do the same. As a result, its easy to recognize it right away, especially
>since these social level assertions are made parrot-like, with little
>variation in phrasing or vocabulary. Rush fans rightly call themselves
>ditto-heads, you know?
>
>dmb adds:
1. Berkeley newspaper defining a conservative... that
sounds like it may be a bit biased, ya know like
Rush Limbaugh defining a liberal?
2. I also don't put Democrats as intellectuals and Republicans
as socials. Wonder why you interpreted it
that way?
As the paper states:-)
Dogmatism and intolerance of ambiguity
Uncertainty avoidance
Need for cognitive closure
3. "Psychology is in the state surgery was when
it was done by barbers" Tom Robbins
Just look how they treat Jung for "proof"
4. why is defining the lower levels okay for
that Spokian clarity but for the fourth level
it is a dogmatic, intolerant, avoidant behavior?
sarcastically and defensively yours,
as to whether you can classify me as a conservative or liberal I'm
going to let you get to know me more:-)
Erin
>I wrote that yesterday and this morning discovered that the journal of
>American Psychological Association recent published an article detailing the
>personality traits and psychological motivations of conservatives over the
>last fifty years. There has been a little storm of protest by conservatives
>in the media and that was touched off by a provocative press release out of
>Berkeley, a formerly liberal college town that conservatives love to hate.
>The whole business is classic culture war stuff. The paper will tickle some
>and irritate others for ideological reasons, but please take a look at it
>with Pirsig third level social values, the Victorians and the reactionary
>movements that followed. I think it sheds lots of light on the nature of the
>social level, especially in terms of what if looks like in the real world.
>Here's the press release that started it all. The original paper is out
>there for those who might want the real deal. Its pretty easy to google your
>way to it. The paper is titled "Political Conservatism as Motivated Social
>Cognition" and was published in the APA's "Psychological Bulletin". And here
>is the short press release that propelled it into the mass media. Enjoy...
>
>http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/07/22_politics.shtml
>
>
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