From: abahn@comcast.net
Date: Sun Aug 17 2003 - 18:40:39 BST
David,
I don't want to go too deep into this because I will quickly get into trouble.
When it comes to philosophy and the classics in particular I am an amatuer. But
Descartes argument for what he could know began with the foundation of his
existence. It was all he could be sure of. But, from this fundamental Truth,
he used deduction to reach other fundamental Truths. Such as GOD Exists.
Andy
> Andy, Matt and all:
>
> Andy said:
> Your assertion that the tribunal is a "ghost" might be the most accurate
> description, because--as I mentiones earlier--the tribunal is a metaphor.
> It permeates our culture in the myths we live by. It is all around us.
> Science is based on it. History. Mathematics. What this myth (western
> science, culture, philosophy) tells us is that if we use the proper
> methodology we can get closer to the Truth. That there is a Truth out
> there. ...
>
> dmb says:
> Let me try this another way. Let's take Descartes as an example because
> almost everybody is familiar with him and his most famous idea is discussed
> in Lila. As I understand it, this frog was famous for coming to the
> conclusion that the only thing he could really be sure of was his own
> existence. "I think, therefor I am." It has been asserted here that he is
> one of many who believe "that if we use the proper methodology we can get
> closer to the Truth, with a capital "T". Now how do we reconcile this
> assertion with Descartes' own claim that he could know almost nothing at
> all, except that exists!? These two positions are so very far away from each
> other that they are approximately opposite positions. And this is just one
> of the many reasons why this claim seems so outlandish to me.
>
> Thanks,
> dmb
>
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