From: abahn@comcast.net
Date: Sun Aug 17 2003 - 22:29:14 BST
Hi Scott,
"For the record, I don't "see" the mystical everywhere. I depend on
revelation (reports of mystics) and use the usual philosophical tools
(reason and experience) to deduce that what they reveal makes more sense
than anything else (with, of course, considerable help from philosophers
who have already covered this.)"
Andy: Fair Enough.
"Also, for the record, what I term the "better class" of mystics mostly agree
with pragmatism, that there is no tribunal existing as an independent object
in the "real" world. Truth isn't something to be discovered, it is to be
lived, and so on. So from my view, materialist pragmatists like Rorty have
got the right attitude toward such words as "truth", "reality", etc.,"
Andy: I agree
"and only have to drop their dogmatic materialism (which reason should tell them
is absurd :-), and start paying attention to data that their belief in
materialism prevents them from considering."
Andy: And now my ignorance becomes apparent. Forgive me, but now I will play
the part of the fool. What do you mean by materialism and how does Rorty fall
under this category? What data do materialist ignore? I haven't heard Rorty
refer to himself as a materialist. Is it a categorization he would agree he
falls under? How does one emerge out from under this absurd influence of a
materialist view?
"All this is orthogonal to your post of course, but just thought I'd mention
it."
Andy: Thank you for mentioning it.
> Andy,
>
> > Just as Scott and you see the mystical
> > everywhere and wonder about the blindness others seem to have. The truth
> > tribunal does not exist as an independent object in the "real" world. It
> is a
> > ghost as you say because it is a metaphor. Rorty believes we don't need
> to live
> > by this myth anymore. That it is no longer useful. We don't need to
> believe
> > the there is a Truth "out there" for us to discover.
>
> For the record, I don't "see" the mystical everywhere. I depend on
> revelation (reports of mystics) and use the usual philosophical tools
> (reason and experience) to deduce that what they reveal makes more sense
> than anything else (with, of course, considerable help from philosophers
> who have already covered this.)
>
> Also, for the record, what I term the "better class" of mystics mostly agree
> with pragmatism, that there is no tribunal existing as an independent object
> in the "real" world. Truth isn't something to be discovered, it is to be
> lived, and so on. So from my view, materialist pragmatists like Rorty have
> got the right attitude toward such words as "truth", "reality", etc., and
> only have to drop their dogmatic materialism (which reason should tell them
> is absurd :-), and start paying attention to data that their belief in
> materialism prevents them from considering.
>
> All this is orthogonal to your post of course, but just thought I'd mention
> it.
>
> - Scott
>
>
>
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