Re: MD Self-consciousness

From: abahn@comcast.net
Date: Thu Sep 04 2003 - 14:51:00 BST

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    Platt,

    True enough! When I say self-consciousness is a property of language I mean we
    would not have the ability to know that we are conscious beings without it. We
    would have no concept of thoughts without language. This is a extremely
    troubling concept, but I don't think it is that out of the ordinary.
    WIttgenstein and others have said similar things. And Scott's interest in
    consciousness began from his study in computer science on language. So, I think
    he understands where I am coming from when I say that.

    Regards,
    Andy
    > Andy,
    >
    > > The one I was offering is
    > > simply that reflective (self-) consciousness is a property of language.
    > > Easy! No spatio-temporal universe to worry about. We can use whatever
    > > universe you wish to propose. We exist and we use language. From our
    > > experience we can distinguish that humans have some properties other
    > > species do not. One of these is language and another one of these is
    > > self-consciousness. All I did was connect the dots.
    >
    > That two properties are coincidental doesn't prove a necessary
    > relationship. Another property we have as distinct from animals is the
    > missionary sex position.This doesn't show that the missionary position
    > is a property of language.
    >
    > Would you elaborate on self-consciousness as a property of language? I
    > always considered properties of language to be grammar like nouns,
    > verbs, adjectives, active/passive voices, similes, metaphors, etc. To
    > include self-consciousness among such properties is a stretch to say
    > the least.
    >
    > Thanks,
    > Platt
    >
    >
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