From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Sat Sep 06 2003 - 21:47:46 BST
I agree it comes down to value.
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From: "MATTHEW PAUL KUNDERT" <mpkundert@students.wisc.edu>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: MD A metaphysics
> David,
>
> David said:
> On these discussions, I see the point as exchanging views/ideas. To see if
we can all improve our thinking, maybe change some biews/ideas, or if not to
try and work out why we don't agree. What are our differences, often boils
down to different values I find. Sometimes different metaphysics. Let's not
beg questions, let's try to work out and conclude where the disagrement
lies, this is often very difficult and subtle.
>
> Matt:
> I think people are getting a very distorted view of what I'm talking
about. I'm not talking about ending communication. Like I said to DMB, "As
we learn more about the other we are able to make better and better
judgements as to which is more useful. This doesn't mean I think either one
of us is going to convince the other (who knows, really), but it means that,
at the end of the interlocution, we will be able to better justify our
judgement, our choice in vocabularies." Every time I finish a discussion
with even the most belligerent of interlocuters, I come away with at least a
better handle on my own vocabulary, if not also their's.
>
> As I said to Platt, begging the question is a red flag for where people
disagree. It means that they disagree fundamentally with an assumption in
their final vocabulary. The move that Pirsig and Rorty help us see is that
begging the question isn't about a logical fallacy, but about, after noting
the disagreement, explaining to your conversant why you value your
assumption more than the other person's.
>
> Matt
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