From: Yale Landsberg (yale_landsberg@yalelands.com)
Date: Mon Sep 15 2003 - 17:57:15 BST
Hi Ian!
While I do express my rather expansive ideas in an extremely terse form (in
just nine pages), I tend to agree with you about both parties. :-)
BTW, as there does seem to be a problem with downloading the pdf version, I
am directing you to the lesser HTML version http://yalelands.com/frph.htm
which does not yet quite have the exact physical layout of words and phrases
that I am laying out, but it will give you a good idea of what my fractal
philosophy is all about -- and why I thought you would find it worthwhile
reading. Note: In order for the reader to get what I am seeking to convey,
the paper has to be read the same way a computer reads every bit of a
program: step-by-step in order, and without skipping words, bytes or even
bits.
Regards, Y.S.Y. Landsberg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Glendinning" <ian@psybertron.org>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 5:49 AM
Subject: RE: MD fractal filosophy
> Yale,
>
> Just to bring you back down to earth, I don't reckon Wolfram is that hard
to
> beat.
> Anyone who can express their ideas in a few pages beats Wolfram hands down
> :-)
>
> I will read your paper, though currently your server seems unavaliable for
> download ?
>
> Ian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk
> [mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk]On Behalf Of Yale Landsberg
> Sent: 14 September 2003 21:55
> To: moq_discuss@moq.org
> Subject: Re: MD fractal filosophy
>
>
> Ian,
>
> Different readers give me very different views of what they see in
> http://yalelands.com/frph.pdf.
>
> For example, I've mentioned here some feedback from member Patrick van den
> Berg relating the paper to MoQ principles, and I've mentioned feedback
from
> a toxologist/pharmacologist relating it to Peirce.
>
> And I've mentioned feedback from a science writer who sees aspects of QM
in
> it.
>
> As you mentioned Wolfram, how about this: an (a bit too flattering)
response
> from a computer programmer/data base administrator. But please note that
> like playing tennis or golf or engagng in even more enjoyable activities,
> you are best off experiencing Fractal Philosophy rather than hearing about
> it...
>
> _________
>
> Yale,
>
> While conventional mathematical descriptions of fractals have the
generator
> of a Koch Curve as the replacing of the middle 1/3 section of the intiator
> by two line segments each of 1/3 unit length, your considering the next
> generation of the fractal as the generator is much easier for a
> non-mathematician like me to understand and visualize. Plus your frph
paper
> offers wonderful though I think you will agree not easy to grasp with one
> reading fascinating insights about the most basic part of computer
science.
> Because if one sees the initial state of a fractal as the initiator and
the
> final state as the generator, then what goes on during that transformation
> is exactly like the computational process occuring on my Mac between data
> input and data output.
>
> I am a C++ programmer and database administrator, and you are obviously a
> great mathematician. So please do not take this as a criticism. I think
what
> you have succeeded in doing in your paper which only on the surface is
about
> Heraclitus and the I Ching is to expose non-academic computer
professionals
> like me to the possibility that computations can simultaneously be both
> digital AND analogue. And if I am correct, you have out trumped even the
> great Steven Wolfram. Good luck!
>
> _______________
>
>
> Ian, please note two more things: 1) I am not a mathematician. 2) Anyone
> such as yourself interested in semantic ontology will have a grand old
time
> with my above frph.pdf paper. Regards, yale
> ...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ian Glendinning" <ian@psybertron.org>
> To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 11:46 AM
> Subject: RE: MD fractal filosophy
>
>
> > Yale,
> >
> > can I add my plea to these.
> > Perhaps a summary / teaser of the key messages in your paper would help
> us.
> >
> > Not having yet read your paper, I for one have some thoughts about the
> > chaotic (pseudo-cyclic, pseudo-trending) nature of "memetics" (the way
> > thought and knowledge evolve), and consequently I have an interest in
> > fractals beyond the pretty images they can create - somewhere close to
> > Dawkins "generators" and Wolfram's "cellular automata" I guess. I also
> live
> > in hope that such mechanisms may lie behind the evolution of / between
> > levels in Pirsig's MoQ and similar hierarchical views about how the
world
> is
> > arranged.
> >
> > I may just have to read it anyway :-)
> >
> > Ian Glendinning
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk
> > [mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk]On Behalf Of David Buchanan
> > Sent: 14 September 2003 00:29
> > To: 'moq_discuss@moq.org'
> > Subject: MD fractal filosophy
> >
> >
> > Andy, Yale and all
> >
> > Andy said to Yale:
> > I have read your paper. Or more honestly skimmed it. You seem to want
> > someone on the list to confirm your belief that there is a connection
> > between Pirsig and your paper (fractal philosophy). Why don't you just
> tell
> > us about the
> > connection instead of making us needlessly wait in suspense.
> >
> > dmb adds:
> > Yea. Why not dish up some kind of summary? Why not make us curious? Who
> > wants a homework assignment? Make it fun.
> >
> >
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