From: Sam Norton (elizaphanian@tiscali.co.uk)
Date: Tue Sep 16 2003 - 08:00:24 BST
Hi Bo - the best place to look at the eudaimonic thesis is on the website (moq.org); there was then
a fair bit of discussion (April/May) on the list - possibly the best dialogue being with Wim, who
asked a number of searching questions. A number of people seem persuaded of the main idea though. I
note with interest that 'autonomous individual' seems to have been taken on generally as a
description of a actor on the fourth level. :-)
And yes, I was saying that there is an error in assuming that all 'theories of everything' describe
the same thing....
Cheers
Sam
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Subject: Re: MD Where things end.
> Sam, DMB & All
>
> 14 Sep. Sam wrote:
>
> > Hi DMB,
> > I think your concerns here say more about your own social hang ups
> > than anything else. I've never made a secret of what I do - it's even
> > on my bio on the website! (Where's yours? What's your social level
> > quality? And if you don't think it's relevant - why is mine?)
>
> > More to the point, I haven't often said 'I'm right because I'm
> > ordained'. The times when I'm tempted to do that are when the
> > discussions focus on what Christianity is - because there I do think I
> > have a qualified perspective, and I think there is an awful lot of
> > ignorant prejudice being put about by people who ought to know better.
> > But those arguments were principally with you, so there's no need to
> > go back to that. I'm quite happy to let all my other arguments (eg
> > eudaimonia) stand or fall on their own merits, as more or less good
> > philosophy. I'm not appealing to any outside authority - at least no
> > more than you.
>
> I found DMB's "information" a bit irrelevant, but did not comment it,
> he is a member of some obscure "radio"organization you know ;-).
> Anyway, the connection was your defending (I believe) my view that
> there is a flaw in saying that all "theories of everything" are expressing
> various aspects of The One. This again referred to Paul's assertion
> that whatever metaphysics forwarded after Pirsig would be QUALITY
> based ...which is the infamous map/terrain in another guise. I have
> been long enough with this discussion to know that the two positions
> will meet at the end reversing each other's arguments ....so I called it
> a day.
>
> By the way, where can I find the most concise presentation of your
> "eudaimonic" idea?
>
> Sincerely
> Bo
>
>
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