From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Tue Sep 16 2003 - 22:29:17 BST
Hi Platt
Great post below, keep the Darwin fan club on the run!
Regards
David M
----- Original Message -----
From: "Platt Holden" <pholden@sc.rr.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 9:18 PM
Subject: RE: MD Darwinisn in dispute ?
> Jonathan,
>
> > Sorry Platt, but it just won't do:
> > >The questions about Darwinian theory or neo-Darwinism or whatever the
> > >latest scientific thinking may be on the subject will never be resolved
> > > to everyone's satisfaction.
> >
> > You are right, if people like you distort or ignore what is in front of
> > their noses. I talk about molecular similarities between primitive
> > bacteria and the mammalian eye, and you call that "microevolution".
>
> Here's what you said:
>
> "5. Old molecules will be put to the new uses. Several examples, e.g.,
> the visual protein rhodopsin is related to bacteriorhodopsin, a
> photosynethetic pigment in certain bacteria.
>
> Last time I looked, proteins are molecular size and bacteria are about
> the smallest forms of life that exist. That's 'micro' in anybody's
> book. It would be more to the point if you'd tell us how the eye
> evolved in a series of little steps from its bacterial beginnings.
>
> > . . .talk about climate and biological change (in which I include the
> > upheavals and mass extinctions of 250Myears and 70Myears ago), you call
> > it microevolution.
>
> You said:
>
> "3. "Climactic change will be associated with change in flora and fauna
> (several examples in geological/biological record).
>
> You didn't say anything about "upheavals and mass extinctions" like
> that of the dinosaurs which many suggest was not caused by climate
> change but by meteor impact.
>
> > Platt, you are either completely ignorant or a charlatan. The problem is
> > not the scientific explanations but attitudes like yours.
>
> I'm surprised a scientist like yourself stoops to name calling. I
> thought mainly political types resorted to that sort of fallacy. If I'm
> as you say, then the following individuals must also qualify:
>
> Dr. Robert Millikan, Nobel Prize winner and eminent evolutionist: "The
> pathetic thing is that we have scientists who are trying to prove
> evolution, which no scientist can ever prove."
>
> Dr. A Fleishmann, Zoologist, Erlangen University: "The theory of
> evolution suffers from grave defects, which are more and more apparent
> as time advances. It can not longer square with practical scientific
> knowledge."
>
> Prof. R. Goldschmidt, PhD, DSc Prof. Zoology, University of Calif.: "It
> is good to keep in mind . . . that nobody has ever succeeded in
> producing even one new species by accumulation of micromutations.
> Darwin's theory of natural selection has never had any proof, yet it
> has been universally accepted."
>
> Sir Fred Hoyle, astronomer, cosmologist and mathematician, Cambridge
> University: "The likelihood of the formation of life from inanimate
> matter is one to a number with 40,000 noughts after it . . . it is big
> enough to bury Darwin and the whole theory of evolution."
>
> Michael Denton, molecular biologist. "Is it really credible that random
> processes could have constructed a reality, the smallest element of
> which -- a functional protein or gene -- is complex beyond . . .
> anything produced by the intelligence of man?"
>
> C Everett Koop, former US Surgeon General:"When I make an incision with
> my scalpel, I see organs of such intricacy that there simply hasn't
> been enough time for natural evolutionary processes to have developed
> them."
>
> There are many more distinguished "charlatans" who, if you insist, I'll
> be glad quote. To suggest that I might be in their company is indeed a
> badge of honor. :-)
>
> I take it that you consider Pirsig's ideas about evolution also to be
> in the completely ignorant or charlatan category?
>
> Platt
>
>
>
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