From: Ian Glendinning (ian@psybertron.org)
Date: Sun Sep 21 2003 - 23:39:52 BST
David you said
I mean, wouldn't you agree that
people ought not use words that they don't understand or assert ideas they
cannot express? Isn't that some kind of fraud?
I say
I do sincerely agree with you.
I use words and assert concepts the way I understand them,
but that doesn't mean you will necessarily understand them the same way,
nor that either of us has a monopoly on their true understanding,
even if we use the same words. That takes time.
IOU etc.
Ian
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Sent: 21 September 2003 20:31
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Subject: RE: MD A metaphysics
Ian said:
Remember our "I don't do long mails" spat, DMB ? I don't do long dialectical
arguments, etc ?
dmb says:
Yea. I remember. I'd asked you to explain "bootstrapping". If Marder is
correct, then my wild guess was the correct answer.
Ian continued:
I said I owed you an essay, but for now I genuinely believe it is difficult
(for some of us at least) to apply simple (logical, dialectical, SOMist)
rationale to argue pragmatist / MoQist points. It's very frustrating, and no
doubt sounds like a cop out, arrogant even, but I'm genuine. I'm sure Matt
is genuine too, just frustrated perhaps.
dmb says:
You're right about at least one thing; it certainly does sound like a cop
out. Its too difficult to be simple? Oh, c'mon. That's pretty hard to buy.
Its safe to say that every poster has access to the english language and
that's really all I'm asking for. I don't doubt your sincerity and other
people's arrogance is the least of my concerns, but it seems pretty clear to
me that we sometimes get in over our heads. I mean, wouldn't you agree that
people ought not use words that they don't understand or assert ideas they
cannot express? Isn't that some kind of fraud? Isn't it a matter of trying
to appear more informed than is really the case? Isn't that fundamentally
dishonest? (And confusing as well?) I think so.
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