Re: MD Dealing with S/O

From: Dan Glover (daneglover@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Sep 23 2003 - 00:14:00 BST

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    Bodvar: All value patterns started their "career" in the service of the
    parent level, but gradually they took off on their own and became a new
    value dimension. (page 37, LILA'S CHILD)

    Pirsig annotation #25: This is OK. In LILA, I never defined the intellectual
    level of the MOQ, since anyone who is up to reading LILA already knows what
    "intellectual" means. For purposes of MOQ precision, let's say the
    intellectual level is the same as mind. It is the collection and
    manipulation of symbols, created in the brain, that stands for patterns of
    experience. (page 60, LC)

    >From: "David MOREY" <us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk>
    >Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    >To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    >Subject: Re: MD Dealing with S/O
    >Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:28:42 +0100
    >
    >Hi
    >
    >Can someone post up the bit in Lila's Child
    >that puts mind on the fourth level please.
    >
    >Thanks
    >David Morey
    >----- Original Message -----
    >From: <skutvik@online.no>
    >To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    >Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 10:36 AM
    >Subject: Re: MD Dealing with S/O
    >
    >
    > > Scott
    > > On 19 Sep.you wrote:
    > > > [Scott prev:] I think I agree. I also think that Coleridge/Barfield's
    > > > metaphysics is the one I need to work with, and not Pirsig's.
    > >
    > > Bo prev:
    > > > >Too bad, but just for curiosity's sake, is there a Coleridge/Barfield
    > > > > metaphysics? If so what is its first postulate?
    > >
    > > Scott now:
    > > > Yes. The first postulate is that all that is, is as a result of "two
    > > > forces of one Power", called "free life" and "confining form". Sound
    > > > familiar?
    > >
    > > Yes it sounds familiar, but is there an identification of a S/O
    > > Metaphysics? And is there a new metaphysical opening starting with
    > > something - like Value in the MOQ - that the "free" and "confining" are
    > > aspects of, except a power? And is there a hierarchy of "confined
    > > powers" starting with "confined inorganic power" ...and so on
    > > ...ending with "confined intellectual power"? And how does
    > > (Coleridge/Barfield?) define this last one?
    > >
    > > I was disappointed by your statement that the C/B metaphysics is the
    > > one you need, and not Pirsig's, still hope it wasn't all serious.
    > >
    > > > [Scott pre prev:] In any case, my interest is in the mind. Pirsig puts
    > > > the mind as the fourth static level.
    > >
    > > Bo prev.:
    > > > He did not ..put the
    > > > mind as the fourth static level until Lila's Child.......etc.
    > >
    > > Scott now:
    > > > I think I agree with others that, though he did not explicitly say so,
    > > > he nevertheless considered mind as the intellectual level while
    > > > writing Lila, i.e., his explicit statement in LC is consistent with
    > > > Lila. Nevertheless, I agree (as I have been expostulating in other
    > > > posts to Paul, Platt, and DMB) that the treatment of mind and
    > > > intellect in Lila needs work. However, I would also say that the ZAMM
    > > > picture also needs work, to be provided by the logic of contradictory
    > > > identity.
    > >
    > > Needs work. Right. I have a post almost ready to the MD where I
    > > propose a solution to all differences over the intellectual level. I am
    > > particularly interested in your reaction, so keep an eye open for it.
    > >
    > > Sincerely.
    > > Bo
    > >
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