Re: MD Dealing with S/O

From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Tue Sep 23 2003 - 21:07:12 BST

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    Mark

    thanks, your take seems good to me.

    DM
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      From: Valuemetaphysics@aol.com
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      Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:33 AM
      Subject: Re: MD Dealing with S/O

      In a message dated 9/22/03 7:41:33 PM GMT Daylight Time, us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk writes:

        Hi

        Can someone post up the bit in Lila's Child
        that puts mind on the fourth level please.

        Thanks
        David Morey

      Hi David,
      An apology. I was trying to help, but failed.
      I said there wasn't a bit in Lila's Child that puts mind on the fourth level, but what i meant was this:

      'For purposes of MOQ precision, let's say that the
      intellectual level is the same as mind. It is the
      collection and manipulation of symbols, created in the
      brain, that stand for patterns of experience.' Lila's
      Child

      I don't think Pirsig wishes to have to say this, but his audience wants to know what mind is, and so he speaks in a general way: 'let (us) say...'

      'Intellect is simply thinking' Lila's Child

      PIRSIG in a letter to Ant McWatt Jan 2nd 1998:

      "To prevent confusion, the MOQ treats 'mind' as the
      exact equivalent of 'static intellectual patterns' and
      avoids use of the term when possible."

      Static intellectual patterns are the fourth level in the MoQ and mind is a term that is to be avoided. If people have an ingrained concept of mind, (which is a useless concept if the process of thinking is not involved), then it can be difficult shift without a degree of resistance?
      As static intellectual patterns respond to DQ, thinking is a Dynamic, and hopefully evolving process.
      Sorry for the confusion,
      Mark

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