From: Sam Norton (elizaphanian@tiscali.co.uk)
Date: Wed Sep 24 2003 - 13:22:45 BST
Hi Andy,
Thanks for this exploration of Richard Bach. I was once a great fan of his - that started to ebb
when I failed to do any 'cloud busting'! But Illusions has got some great insights in it, including
the story of the river creatures.
However, two sets of comments on what you wrote. The first about the analogy, the second about
economics.
I think that you are equating DQ and intellect in the analogy, ie that it is by letting go and
flowing with the current that you become intellectual - if you cling you are following static
(social?) patterns. Is that correct? (It's definitely a variation on Pirsig, but that's not
necessarily a bad thing).
Secondly, I like the thought about existing in DQ with someone else. One thing that I have been
mulling on recently is the 'loneliness' of existence at the fourth level (ie when you awareness
functions and explores there). I relate it to Jesus saying there is no giving and receiving in
marriage in heaven. I wonder how far the creation of the ego by the social level (which I see as
the 'vehicle' which goes off for purposes of its own on the fourth level) is an isolating process,
so that there can never be a genuine sharing or meeting of minds at that level. (This doesn't rule
out human contact or relationships of course, just reminds that they need to be sustained 'whole
bodily' ie by all the levels at once). Perhaps the most there might be is a shared delight in the
DQ - 'Look at that!'. Just some musings.
On the economic front, I was wondering how you might relate the levels to various economic
phenomena, especially money. I was thinking the other day that money is something else which was
created for a particular purpose (exchange of value) but which has gone off on purposes of its own -
ie it is no longer tied to a particular good, eg gold or whatever, but is now a store of value in
its own right, and the financial whizzkids dream up lots of creative ways to manipulate money in
order to generate more money.
Again just a thought.
Thanks for the stimulating paper.
Sam
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