Re: MD Dealing with S/O

From: Dan Glover (daneglover@hotmail.com)
Date: Sun Sep 28 2003 - 04:29:59 BST

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    Hello everyone

    >From: "Scott R" <jse885@spinn.net>
    >Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    >To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    >Subject: Re: MD Dealing with S/O
    >Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:04:32 -0600
    >
    >Dan,
    >
    > > The definitions and the synonyms seem to be a perfect fit with Robert
    > > Pirsig's annotations in Lila's Child. RMP has said that he didn't define
    >the
    > > intellectual level in Lila, and ZMM doesn't pertain directly to the MOQ,
    >so
    > > I don't see why there is an uneasiness over the LC annotations or why a
    > > different formulation of intellect is needed. I know you've been over
    >all
    > > this many times, but could you explain your objections to me in simple
    >terms
    > > using definitions we can all agree on?
    >
    >My objection does not have to do with definitions. It is instead that
    >Pirsig
    >does not distinguish between thinking and thoughts, but lumps them both
    >under the heading SQ. I consider thinking to be, at least potentially, the
    >creation of static patterns, not itself a static pattern. Likewise, I see
    >the mind as a locus of DQ/SQ interplay, again, not as just SQ. (Oops, I
    >forgot I'm not trying to fix the MOQ anymore. Lop off the Q's :-).

    Hi Scott

    Thank you for the reply. It seems to me that it is implied in several
    sections of Lila (if you require quotes they'll have to wait until I'm
    unpacked--I'm moving in a week and all my books are boxed up at the moment)
    that intellect is both static and Dynamic. A definition is necessarily
    static while Dynamic Quality is beyond any concept.

    I think the MOQ would say the creation of intellectual patterns of value
    (ideas) is a Dynamic process for which there's no static explanation, "a dim
    apprehension of we know not what," or what might be called a brainstorm, to
    put a name on it. So I agree with what you're saying about intellect as far
    as "mind as a locus of DQ/SQ interplay" but I also believe Robert Pirsig
    does distinguish between thoughts and thinking in Lila.

    Thanks again,

    Dan

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