Re: MD The final solution or new frustration.

From: Steve Peterson (peterson.steve@verizon.net)
Date: Wed Oct 01 2003 - 18:40:59 BST

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    Hi Platt, Scott,

    Platt said:
    > > Intellect (thinking) is not a response to DQ. Thinking is the
    > > patterning of pure experience (Quality) into static symbolic forms.
    > > What responds to DQ is not intellect but a vague sense of something
    > > better. One's initial reaction to great art (or getting off a hot
    > > stove) isn't intellectual. It's immediate, involuntary, instinctive,
    > > intuitive, visceral, spontaneous. Thinking about experience is
    > > secondary. Thinking about thinking is even further removed from DQ.

    Scott:
    > ????. Apparently, the fourth and highest level of SQ is the furthest
    > removed from DQ. Something's backwards.

    Steve:
    I agree with Scott that there is something wrong with saying "Thinking about
    experience is secondary. Thinking about thinking is even further removed from
    DQ." I don’t think that thinking about thinking can be thought of as further
    from DQ than thinking about a biological experience (as I’m thinking about
    thinking about thinking). Thinking is itself an experience just as is sitting
    on a hot stove. Experiences of any type can be dynamic or static. Thinking
    can be dynamic if one is a new line of thought rather than following
    well-established patterns of thought.

    Platt also said in a different thread:
    "Thinking" isn't a Dynamic process. Thinking is a static intellectual
    process. DQ is not known by thinking. (Refer to how a baby 'knows' DQ
    in LILA, Chp. 9) You cannot think your way to experiencing DQ. As
    Pirsig points out, "Thought is not a path to reality," reflecting the
    mystic view. The response to harmony, the aesthetic response, is
    allied with DQ.

    Steve:
    Thought is not a path to reality because thoughts are already part of reality.
    You can’t get closer to or further from reality by thinking if reality is
    experience and if thoughts are experiences.

    Thanks,
    Steve

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