Re: MD The final solution or new frustration.

From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Fri Oct 03 2003 - 15:03:53 BST

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    Hi David M,

    By mistake I lost your latest post on this subject addressed to me. So
    I won't be able to do much commentary. In reviewing your post in the
    archives, it appears your central question to me was: "You have not yet
    explained to me why I should draw a line saying thinking is only SQ."

    There are a number of places where Pirsig alludes to DQ as "mystic
    awareness" which is the opposite of "thinking." But perhaps this
    passage from Chp. 9 in LILA will help answer your question.

    "This, Phaedrus thought, was why little children are usually quicker to
    perceive Dynamic Quality than old people, why beginners are usually
    quicker than experts, why primitive people are sometimes quicker than
    those of "advanced" cultures. American Indians are exceptionally
    skilled at holding to the ever-changing center of things. That is the
    real reason they speak and act without ornamentation. It violates their
    mystic unity. This moving and acting and talking in accord with the
    Great Spirit and almost nothing else has been the ancient center of
    their lives."

    Other reasons why I draw a line between DQ and SQ:

    Quality splits into DQ/SQ. SQ is the the conceptual (thinking) part.
    DQ is the "conceptually unknown."

    Also, consider these quotes:

    DQ is "too obscure for existing language."
    DQ is the "pre-intellectual cutting edge of reality."
    DQ is "the undefined fittest."
    DQ "cannot be defined in any encyclopedia."

    And from Chp. 13:

    " . . .thoughts . . . are no more than sets of static patterns. These
    patterns can't by themselves perceive or adjust to DQ."

    Back to you,

    Regards,
    Platt

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