Re: MD Krishnamurti

From: james marshall (edgarj@shaw.ca)
Date: Fri Oct 03 2003 - 22:31:47 BST

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     Hello Mark,

    Thanks for that. Pirsig - Krishnamurti. I didn't know. That's just great!
     I'll get those books you mentioned as soon as I finish Howard Bloom's
    Global Brain" (2000) in which he points to an "interspecies global mind"
    Don't miss the last paragraph in that book. For a long time I've been
    sympathetic to Jung and Campbell's collective unconscious. Then I got to
    thinking there must be a collective conscious. Then along comes Bloom with
    his account of group selection in the dynamics of biological and social
    evolution. Lots of MOQ tie-ins.

    I've been retired for two years from the schools. I decided to be
    self-referred for a change and I went about rereading my graduate texts on
    psychotherapy and to educate myself on the history of western philosophy. I
    had this nagging itch. Is there really such a reality as an object? If the
    universe is alive, aware, and responsive (as I believe it is) - what's an
    object? I started with ZAMM and Lila. The Greeks came next. And, of
    course, I was off to the races.

    MOQ.org led me to Ken Wilber. I read his "No Boundary" which supported my
    earlier readings on the philosophy and healing system of the Hawaiian
    shamans (kahunas) - the discipline of Huna. I noticed Wilber borrowed many
    of his ideas from Krishnamurti. (he says so in the back of his book).
    Someone on the MOQ was into Howard Bloom and then I heard him speak on the
    radio one night. Notice that? The interconnectivity. Of course you do,
    you're an MOQ'er.

    My approach to education in the schools? I follow William James' advice.
    Education can be approached through the concept of relatedness. James -
    another guy Pirsig likes. He says so in Lila. Hmmm. Anyway, I show kids
    and adults how everything is connected. Remember in ZAMM how Phaedrus asked
    students to write a paper simply by examining a penny? No problem from an
    interconnectivity approach.

    Within the next year I'm moving back to the Philippines. I used to train
    and evaluate teachers at international schools there back in the 80's. I
    feel at home there. Finish writing my book, perhaps do a little consulting
    work in education and pursue a doctorate. Life is good. Lots of quality
    these days. May your every step be blessed.

    Jim

     
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    From: moq_discuss@moq.org
    Date: October 3, 2003 10:37:13 AM
    To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    Subject: Re: MD Krishnamurti
     
    In a message dated 10/3/03 5:24:34 PM GMT Daylight Time, edgarj@shaw.ca
    writes:

    Hi Mark,

    In your study, may I recommend "Total Freedom", one of those (for me) books
    that has DQ. I especially recommend the first bit, Krishnamurti's speech to
    a convention of "The Order of the Star" (Theosophist) where he renounces his
    avatar status, dissolves the Order, and declares "Truth is a pathless land."
    Absolutely stellar stuff. No guru, no dogma, no spiritual authority, no
    path. It's one of those Wow! books (for me).

    Best wishes to you and all MOQ'ers

    James Marshall

    Hi James,
    Many thanks for your recommendation James, i very much appreciate you taking
    the time to help me along my journey. :)

    Did you know Krishnamurti is one of Pirsig's favourites?
    I have Freedom from the known, The awakening of intelligence, The second
    Penguin Krishnamurti reader, by Krishnamurti, and The ending of time with
    David Bohm.
    It was reading Bohm's, Wholeness and the implicate order that directed me
    towards, Freedom from the known, and from then on i was hooked.

    May i ask a question? I have been wondering how you use your views in the
    field of education? It cannot have been plain sailing over the years?

    All the best,
    Mark
     


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