Re: MD Begging the Question, Moral Intuitions, and Answering the Nazi, Part III

From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Thu Oct 16 2003 - 20:02:39 BST

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    Matt

    Same values, different tactics, for now I'm sticking with mine.
    Mainly, I think, because there is something about religion I wish
    to retain, but a religion of be(com)ing looks like a very strange thing,
    but I'm still working on its conception. But I really would like to see
    us value individual human beings and the surrounding world a lot
    more highly, certainly I want to banish th values that are attached to SOM,
    and pragmatism goes some of the way in doing that.

    regards
    David M

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    From: "MATTHEW PAUL KUNDERT" <mpkundert@students.wisc.edu>
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    Subject: Re: MD Begging the Question, Moral Intuitions, and Answering the
    Nazi, Part III

    > David,
    >
    > I like my world of sad, old private interests.
    >
    > The problem pragmatists have with having a metaphysics centered on
    openness is that it seems like a useless hypostatization. Rorty says that
    Nietzsche's problem was that he inverted Platonism, like you say, but that
    along with it comes many of the same problems, just in inverted form. To
    put it another way, its like Derrida's "discovery" of the margin, and then
    making the margin the center. That just creates another margin.
    >
    > Pragmatists say that the best way to deal with Platonic metaphysics, which
    is based on certainty, correspondence, i.e. closedness, is not to invert it
    and make your metaphysics centered around openness. They suggest that we
    instead simply live like we were open. The only reason you'd want to create
    a principle of openness, a metaphysics centered by openness, is if you
    thought thinking about openness as a thing-in-itself would help you be more
    open. Pragmatists see that as commensurate the Platonic idea of thinking
    about the Good to become more good. We say that thinking about a
    thing-in-itself hasn't seemed to help yet, so why not chuck it and think
    about something else. You don't have to think about openness to be open.
    You just do it.
    >
    > Matt
    >
    >
    >
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