Re: MD Western achievement

From: Valuemetaphysics@aol.com
Date: Mon Oct 27 2003 - 18:49:55 GMT

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    In a message dated 10/26/03 5:40:28 PM GMT Standard Time, pholden@sc.rr.com
    writes:

    > Hi All,
    >
    > In his new book, "Human Accomplishment: The Pursuit of Excellence in
    > the Arts and Sciences, 800 B.C. to 1950," Charles Murray concludes that
    > a whopping 72 percent of the significant figures in the arts and
    > sciences came from just four European countries: Britain, France,
    > Germany and Italy. However, the rate of achievement in these countries
    > appeared to plummet in the mid-19th century due to a collapse of social
    > values and the advent of nihilism. When Christianity began to lose its
    > appeal, things began to go downhill because Christianity provided
    > incentives to achieve: not only a sense of autonomy and purpose but a
    > coherent vision of what Murray calls "the transcendental goods" --
    > truth, beauty and the good. A culture lacking such vision tends to
    > produce art that is shallow, vulgar and sterile, Murray says,
    > describing it as the difference between "Macbeth"and "kill Bill." "It's
    > only being infused with that moral vision that 'Macbeth' is 'Macbeth,'
    > " Murray writes. "Otherwise it's just people killing each other."
    >
    > The above is taken from a review in today's NY Times. Pirsig also
    > traces the decline in social values with the rise of anti-religious
    > intellectualism, and attempts with MOQ to bring back a sense of
    > "transcendental goods" as well as a moral vision. That such vision is
    > lacking today is clearly revealed in the postmodernist's view where
    > such fundamentals as truth, beauty and good are considered relative and
    > therefore futile to discuss.
    >
    > Platt
    >

    Hi Platt,
    Quite simply, thank you.
    Mark
    P.S. Is this a morality i see before me? ;)

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