RE: MD Two theories of truth

From: johnny moral (johnnymoral@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Nov 13 2003 - 22:09:55 GMT

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    HI Paul,

    >Hi Matt, Johnny
    >
    >Matt:
    >...pragmatists would agree that morality, Quality, and intersubjective
    >agreement are more or less interchangeable...
    >
    >Paul:
    >I think intersubjective agreement has to be classified as static social
    >patterns of authority and the static intellectual patterns they approve.

    That's a tiny subset of intersubjective agreement. Inoganic and biological
    patterns are the majority. You're seeing intersubjective agreement (like
    Platt and DMB), as merely the stuff we choose to debate about or look to
    authorities for, when those are the things we have the least amount of
    agreement about. We have much more intersubjective agreement about gravity,
    for example.

    >Therefore, as Quality (or morality) *creates* static patterns (including
    >intersubjective agreement), I don't think they are interchangeable. In
    >addition, to borrow some words from Pirsig - when an American Indian
    >goes into isolation and fasts in order to achieve a vision, the vision
    >he seeks is not one of intersubjective agreement.

    No? When they come back and relate their visions, don't the others' heads
    all nod in understanding? Do they all argue about what they have seen? I
    think they seek basic and true understanding that will agree with the basic
    and true understanding of those who did the same thing before them.

    Quality creates intersubjective agreement, yes, and intersubjective
    agreement creates Quality. Does this seem impossible to you? It's a
    continual creation.

    Johnny

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