From: Paul Turner (paulj.turner@ntlworld.com)
Date: Fri Nov 14 2003 - 21:01:59 GMT
Hi Scott
> Paul wrote:
> "The assertion that "the world causes us to have certain beliefs"
> assumes a pre-existing world, a world of causal pressures at least."
>
> Johnny:
> I noticed this myself. I think the MoQ says that Quality (Morality)
> causes us to have certain beliefs.
>
> Paul:
> Precisely.
>
> Johnny:
> And then we indeed assume a pre-existing world based on the beliefs
that
> we currently have.
>
> Paul:
> Exactly.
Scott:
How is this different from theological determinism, as one finds in
Islam or
Calvinism (not that any particular Muslim or Calvinist is likely to
actually
live according to this principle)?
Paul:
I don't know why but you seem to assume that I think of Quality as some
kind of god that forces the same set of beliefs into everyone's heads. I
accept Pirsig's assumption that Quality is empirical experience which
causes us to hold different beliefs depending on one's unique experience
of value. Where this differs from pragmatism is that the "stubborn
physical reality" is one of those beliefs but not the cause of the
belief.
Scott:
My suggestion to you and to Matt is that the logic of contradictory
identity
embraces the circularity and moves it to center stage, thus creating an
ironic metaphysics that -- if y'all would lose your nominalist
presuppositions :-) -- would make the MOQist and the pragmatist happy.
Paul:
One day you may convince us all Scott :-)
Cheers
Paul
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