From: Steve Peterson (peterson.steve@verizon.net)
Date: Fri Nov 21 2003 - 00:18:15 GMT
Hi Johnny,
You said:
> You answered Nathan thusly:
>>> Nathan:
>>> In my mindset, there are no ghosts, or spirits or an anthropomorphic
>> God, or
>>> angels, devils, heaven or hell; there is no morality, no standard of
>> conduct
>>> that is 'correct' and no reward for the righteous and no punishment for
>> the
>>> wicked. "What you see is what you got". Life is for a finite period and
>> when
>>> you die, you disappear as an individual. The flowers and rocks will not
>> miss
>>> you although your friends and family might.
>>
>> I agree with all of that. I don't believe in gods or "special powers" or
>> anything outside of experience.
>
> You ask Nathan to consider where the definitions to things like "life",
> "matter", "energy" and "better" fit in his two catagories of matter and
> energy. But where do you see them fitting, seeing as you say you agree with
> him that there is no morality? Perhaps if he had used a capital M and thus
> invoked Quality, you wouldn't have agreed(?).
I took Nathan's statement "there is no morality" as to be clarified with his
next statement "no standard of conduct that is 'correct' and no reward for
the righteous and no punishment for the wicked." I took his view to be
that there is no God to judge our actions individually as right or wrong so
I also reject understanding morality in those terms.
Do you think that there is a correct action for every circumstance?
>Because surely there all
> those things, just as there is "better" and "matter" and "energy". They
> exist as ideas, including the ideas of right conduct and an anthropormophic
> God. And ideas exist in Morality, in Quality. (I suppose Nathan could
> argue that those ideas are a form of energy, like bits in a computer require
> energy to remember things.
>Energy takes the forms of matter and of ideas?
> I'd be down with that, I think Love is basically an energy, value is
> basically an energy)
I think here your using "energy" as a metaphor (which of course it is, just
like any other term, only the typical SOMers don't know that). If you think
of value as an energy or like whatever my Goddess-worshiping friend who is
prone to saying things like "this room has good energy" is talking about,
you are talking about something other than the scientific understanding of
energy which is measured in very specific ways.
Regards,
Steve
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