RE: MD The MOQ Perspective on Homosexuality

From: David Buchanan (DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org)
Date: Sat Dec 13 2003 - 19:20:18 GMT

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    Charles and all:

    Charles asked:
    What is the MOQ perspective on homosexuality? Would you say a same-sex
    preference lies in the biological level, or the social level? Or perhaps
    some other level? ...To me, it seems that if homosexuality was of the
    biological level, then it's backwards. Because the levels of the MOQ at all
    times strive to preserve themselves, at least to my understanding; therefore
    any human sexual preference, being strictly biologically-driven, would
    result (unless measures are taken) in the production of more human life.
    This seems to me to be the primary function of the biological level, to
    sustain and create new life. Obviously there has to be a measure of biology
    involved in same-sex preference. But can social issues offset the
    biological course? Or, to put it plainly, from the MOQ biological viewpoint
    is homosexuality considered normal?

    dmb replies:
    I'd agree that the primary goal of the biological level is to "sustain and
    create new life", but I'd also point out that this includes more than just
    making babies. But I'll get to that in a minute. Personally, it seems pretty
    clear that sexual preference is mostly biological and not really a matter of
    choice. I mean, the attraction I feel seems rooted in my body. The sight of
    a beautiful woman just shoots right through me like an arrow. Its kind of
    fun and amazing to "watch" it happen and seems to have nothing to do with
    what I think. Its immediate and I feel it in the pit of my stomach, and in
    my...

    I find it totally unimaginable that I could someday decide to contradict all
    these feelings and simply "decide" to be attracted to men. Don't get me
    wrong. Some of my best friends are men, but they just don't give me any
    wood. Quite the opposite. Socially, I like gay men and feel a certain
    kinship with them. I feel like we share a certain "outsider" status, even if
    we share that status for completely different reasons. I fully support their
    quest for equal rights and find nothing "extreme" about such a goal, but the
    idea of sleeping with someone of my own gender is about as attractive as
    eating glass. It just doesn't seem yummy. (Except for Walter. Walter makes
    me really, really hot. Hey, Walt. Call me! Just kidding.)

    This is probably something any straight guy can easily understand. But now
    try to imagine a world where all these feelings are taboo, where its
    considered sick and wrong and sinful to feel attracted to women. Imagine a
    world where you are forced to pretend that you desire men and the thought of
    sex with a woman is supposed to disgust you. What a nightmare! I believe
    this is what gay people have been going through in our culture. And imagine
    that if the truth were to come out about how you really feel, you were
    likely to get a nasty beating or be stoned to death. (Don't be confused by
    the existence of bi-sexual and transgendered people. Sexuality exists on a
    continuum.) The point is simply that we don't "decide" what turns us on.
    Either it does or it doesn't. I think we all know this from personal
    experience. On a less personal note...

    There is an interesting book that gets at my first point; that when it comes
    to sustaining life there's more to it than making babies. Its called
    "Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity" by Bruce
    Bagemihl (1999) According to the author homosexual behavior of a very wide
    variety can be seen in many species throughout the animal world, especially
    among birds and mammals. He points out that such behavior has all kinds of
    survival value. As Erin mentioned, bonobos are apparently quite the little
    sluts. They live and graze in pretty large groups and homosexual behavior
    seems to minimize the disruptive effects of competition. Male manatees have
    orgies together. And Lesbian gulls have been observed raising chicks
    together. That's right. You heard it here first. Its not just Heather.
    Jonathan Livingston Seagull has two mommy's as well. :-} His 750-page book
    is widely considered to be a brilliant breakthrough, except by social
    conservatives. The only part of it that is considered controversial by the
    scientific community is the chapter where he speculates on how such
    behaviours could have emerged.

    There are reasons why most people don't know about homosexuality in the
    animal world. It contradicts both social level Prejudice and intellectual
    level Darwinism, so we tend not to notice it. As Pirsig puts it, "Our
    scientific description of nature is always culturally derived. Nature tells
    us only what our culture predisposes us to hear. The selection of which
    inorganic patterns to observe and which to ignore is made on the basis of
    social patterns of value, or when it is not, on the basis of biological
    patterns of value."
      
    Thanks,
    dmb

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