From: skutvik@online.no
Date: Wed Jan 14 2004 - 09:27:29 GMT
Matt and the Many.
11 Jan. you wrote:
Bo said:
> > A transformation is needed between the MOQ and Intellect and is where my
> > "intellect=S/O" comes in. Intellect is adequate for ordinary use; we may
> > speak of subjects and objects, mind and matter ...etc. but when it comes
> > to the ultimate questions only the full MOQ will suffice. At least I
> > hope that such a "schizophrenic" (Matt called it) attitude may be
> > possible.
Matt replied:
> That's not the schizophrenia. It's not the ability to move from a
> conversation at a bar to a conversation in a philosophy discussion
> group.
At times MD sounds like a bar brawl ... ..the inescapable social
component.
> The schizophrenia is saying that "SOM is true everywhere and
> always" until the MoQ was created, when we can (have to?) now say "MoQ
> is true everywhere and always."
"What is true everywhere and always" is what Pirsig means by a
metaphysics in the opening chapters of LILA:. I know that you
hold that everything is man-made and "perishable", but - illusory
or not - we can't avoid it and if the MOQ makes it in the world, it
will have wrestled the TRUTH (relay pin) from the SOM. Isn't this
good pragmatism?
But again my standard phrase: This will not happen as long as
the "mental-intellect"-definition is upheld. It is beyond intellect's
S/O and a "transformation" between intellect and the MOQ is
ncessary.
IMO
Bo
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