From: Scott R (jse885@spinn.net)
Date: Sun Jan 18 2004 - 16:36:48 GMT
Bo et al,
[Bo:]> "Many other (non-SOM) intellectual patterns". Give me ONE
> example.
>
[Paul:]> > In Lila's Child, in the same post by Platt that provokes the
> > comments from Pirsig that you are discussing, Platt writes: "Far from
> > condemning SOM, the Metaphysics of Quality holds it to be the highest
> > level yet achieved." To which Pirsig replies: "Within the intellectual
> > level, mathematics, especially quantum mechanics, seems higher to me."
>
[Bo]> Mathematics got its "profile" with the Greeks and SOM as part of
> their search for the Immortal Principle (number mysticism).
> "Math" before them - geometry for instance - was employed by
> the great cultures before the Greeks (before the intellectual era
> according to Pirsig). And regarding Quantum Mech, the theory is
> S/O through and through, yes, it's very WEIRDNESS is for the
> reason that intellect can't handle the dynamism revealed at the
> "bottom" of the inorganic realm ,,,and starts talking about the
> observing SUBJECT influencing the outcome.
Mathematics is not S/O because there is no object separate from the
mathematical thinking, so there is no subject thinking about an object.
Instead, the thinking is all there is. If you say that the thinking is
about, say, numbers, then you are confusing a metamathematical statement
with the mathematical.
Quantum physics as a theory about matter is S/O, but quantum physics as
mathematics is mathematics. Its weirdness only arises when it is attempted
to make it a theory about matter within a spacetime framework.
By the way, I consider the MOQ to be an S/O theory, since it is *about*
morality and human beings and the universe. So I guess I disagree with Paul
(since I call it S/O, albeit not SOM), and with Bo (since I consider it as
an intellectual product.)
- Scott
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