Re: MD Awareness and Quality

From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Sat Jan 31 2004 - 17:28:03 GMT

  • Next message: Valuemetaphysics@aol.com: "Re: MD SOLAQI confirmed?"

    How is ZAMM's Quality as pre-intellectual awareness related to Lila's
    Dynamic Quality leaving static patterns in its wake?

    DM: is there a division lurking here between passive awareness
    and dynamic activity? There are two sorts of process I suggest.
    A repeating process, the same again, a pattern. Or a dynamic process,
    something new, creative, emerging out of nothing. An intelligent
    action implies control, manipulating what happens, using patterns to get
    what you want, pragmatism, use, making the same happen again because
    this is what you want, planting crops each year to produce a harvest.
    New knowledge, seeing new patterns, implies a leap, out of nothing,
    grasping a pattern for the first time.

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Steve Peterson" <peterson.steve@verizon.net>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 7:30 PM
    Subject: Re: MD Awareness and Quality

    > Hi All,
    >
    > Questions:
    >
    > How is ZAMM's Quality as pre-intellectual awareness related to Lila's
    > Dynamic Quality leaving static patterns in its wake?
    >
    > Are they the same? Is Pirsig using the term "intellectual" in the same
    > sense as he does when he discusses intellectual patterns?
    >
    > Perhaps "unpatterned awareness" would make a good substitute for
    > "pre-intellectual awareness," otherwise it would seem that all patterns
    are
    > intellectual by equating dynamic/static with
    pre-intellectual/intellectual.
    > What do you think?
    >
    > Recently I said, "To infer patterns of any kind, one must rise to the
    > intellectual level since inferences are intellectual constructs." Platt
    > agreed, DM disagreed. I think the disagreement concerned an implication
    > that all patterns are intellectual. My use of "inference" implies
    symbolic
    > representation of patterns so I stand by my original statement.
    >
    > I've been working with the definition of "pattern" as "perceptual
    structure"
    > where structure could refer to inorganic, biological, social, or
    > intellectual structure.
    >
    > Does anyone have a better definition of "pattern"? One problem I see with
    > "perceptual structure" as an MOQ definition is that it implies an S/O
    > relationship of a perceiver and that which is perceived. Is pattern an
    > inherently S/O term?
    >
    > Thanks,
    > Steve
    >
    >
    >
    > MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org
    > Mail Archives:
    > Aug '98 - Oct '02 - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/
    > Nov '02 Onward -
    http://www.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/summary.html
    > MD Queries - horse@darkstar.uk.net
    >
    > To unsubscribe from moq_discuss follow the instructions at:
    > http://www.moq.org/md/subscribe.html
    >
    >

    MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org
    Mail Archives:
    Aug '98 - Oct '02 - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/
    Nov '02 Onward - http://www.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/summary.html
    MD Queries - horse@darkstar.uk.net

    To unsubscribe from moq_discuss follow the instructions at:
    http://www.moq.org/md/subscribe.html

    This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.5 : Sat Jan 31 2004 - 19:50:05 GMT