From: Matt poot (mattpoot@hotmail.com)
Date: Fri Feb 06 2004 - 01:41:26 GMT
Bo: Again, I accept Pirsig's interpretation, but contemporary Greek
thinkers did not know Aretê as Good. It got translated into "virtue"
and the translators would certainly have used "good" if that was
the case. It was P. in the RT passage in LILA who made this
"discovery". This is most convincing but it's no use by presenting
it as if the Greeks knew the MOQ, to the contrary they saw the
S/O (or the embryonic form it had with Plato) as the best.
Bo:>I don't object to a single thing here, only that Plato did not say
>that Aretê is Good and now I will usurp it. This is Pirsig looking
>back armed with his Aretê=Good (Quality) insight
-=*POOT*=- Well, there is one thing where you are mistaken.....
arete(i dont know how to get accent) has its true meaning obscured. The
most common translation is 'virtue'. Now, if you were to take virtue and
turn it to good, that would be different. But, arete is not virtue, and it
is not good !!
Eureka!! it is "EXCELLENCE"!!!! It is quite easy to go from there, and take
excellence, and turn it into.....what....Quality! Sophists did not teach
good as value, but excellence! quality! Voila! cest magnifique! tres bon!
non?
What do you think ? :)
-=*P0OT*=-
P.S> If you think I'm mistaken about the meaning of arete, go look through
ZMM at about page....250 i think.. I just picked a random page . It was
near the story of .....heraclitus? the well-rounded trojan man....
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