From: Joe (jhmau@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue Feb 10 2004 - 18:54:36 GMT
On 8 Feb 2004 11:10 AM Bo writes:
Hi Bo and All,
> Bo:
> Yes by Jove it requires a certain initiation to see that the MOQ is
> a new Myth - one that rearranges everything, like SOM (as
> intellect) did in its time. Maybe one may say that Society and
> Biology did so in their time.
>
> > Bo:
> > It requires a little juggling, but the important first step is to see
> > that intellect is a static level and as blind to the Quality context
> > as the rest of the levels.
>
> > joe: IMO the mythos is known mystically. The training of education
> > and ordinary life experiences force me to accept the mythos. I now
> > have a basis for my being and my actions.
> Bo:
> Yes, but how is the shift to the Quality Myth to come about? As I
> see it most all of this discussion group is stuck in the SOM myth.
joe: Mark in "The Edge of Chaos" introduces an explanation of SQ-SQ tension/coherence, 'The Sweet Spot'. IMO a suggestion that SQ might be a vibration like sound (the octave), light (the spectrum), taste (sweet to sour), etc. so that harmonies, art, balance are necessary is an elegant place to start.
> > Joe:
> > IMO "An inquiry into Morals" is outside the mythos. In the MOQ I
> > accept the inorganic, organic, social, and intellectual orders not by
> > any mystic initiation, but in some other way. The dividing line
> > between the orders is Dynamic Quality. I see that "intellect is a
> > static level" when speaking of the intellectual order. IMO the MOQ
> > accepts that when I apprehend the dividing line between the moral
> > orders, I know the Quality of intellect, of social, of organic, of
> > inorganic value in a moral hiearchy. I can see the dividing line as
> > S/O, but I am not "blind to the Quality context." The questions I
> > have: Does limitation equal definition? No! Does value limit
> > Quality? Yes!
> Bo:
> A deep one this, I'm not sure if I get the gist of it.
joe: my questions simply reflect my observing evolution "not give away what one does not have"! an organic order from an inorganic order etc. Scott mused that we could not get the conscious from the non-conscious. DQ can be limited to an order and yet not be defined as an individual. IMO I am one sentient not four different moral orders. For me, myself and I my toenails are as important as my brain, one body different functions.
Joe
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