From: skutvik@online.no
Date: Thu Feb 12 2004 - 09:21:00 GMT
Mati and Group.
On 11 Feb. Mati commented Paul's
> >If the terms objective and subjective, with respect to ideas, methods
> > and knowledge, were replaced with high quality and low quality, I
> > think there would be less confusion.
> Mati: Ok, I am not really philosophically savvy as I would like to be,
> but this seems a big step backward from where Pirsig has brought us.
> It feels like perhaps this is going back down the slippery slope of
> SOM. In large part because it would in the end would require knowledge
> to be sorted would by a subjective reality (couched in SOM) to work
> and be back where we started from.
Good to see that there are reasonable people around. I was
pondering what Paul means - without much success, but yours
helped a lot and I will respond in a separate post, right now I just
want to comment this.
> > Bo said:
> > Is this the MOQ that children are supposed to understand?
> > Paul:
> > Pirsig says that *value* is understood by every infant, not the MOQ.
> You are both correct, I think you are discussing different passages.
Understanding value ....said just like that says nothing. It is the
MOQ versus the SOM which is at stake. Biological "value" is
understood in the sense of a newborn needing no instruction to
suck the breast. The infant also perceives the social value of love
and care without any fuss. However, what Pirsig means is that
the intellectual understanding of the MOQ reality is supposed to
be much simpler than the SOM one. If any infant is are able to
grasp it can be discussed, but at least the MOQ world is
supposed to be ... fabulously more simple than the SOM world.
IMO
Bo
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