Re: MD Objectivity, Truth and the MOQ

From: MATTHEW PAUL KUNDERT (mpkundert@students.wisc.edu)
Date: Fri Feb 13 2004 - 18:46:01 GMT

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    Paul,

    Paul said:
    As Matt's post on this thread states, pragmatists agree that there is a clear difference between rocks and ideas but steer away from the word "ontology" and therefore "metaphysics." In this sense, the MOQ is a departure from pragmatism. In another sense, I think the MOQ levels are a pragmatic categorisation of experience justified by having high intellectual quality rather than a correspondence to an independent metaphysical reality. I think the primary static/Dynamic division enables the MOQ to be pragmatic and still make ontological claims and this may make indeed make it a radical and unique metaphysics. I've said before that it may be the forerunner of a new movement called "valuism."

    Matt:
    This is what I still don't understand about what our differences are. What are these ontological claims you think the MoQ can make but pragmatists can't? As far as I could tell, the way we had left it earlier was that the only difference between the MoQ and pragmatism was a jargon difference, which, upon hearing you say, "In this sense, the MOQ is a departure from pragmatism," makes me shrug and go, "Semantics. In this sense, the MoQ is a departure from pragmatism in the same sense that you and I part company on whether to write "MOQ" or "MoQ." That's no difference that makes a difference." If this _is_ our difference, then if you say the MoQ makes ontological claims, then, in your terminology, that means pragmatism makes ontological claims and there's still no philosophical difference between the two.

    What am I not getting?

    Matt

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