From: Mark Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Sun Feb 15 2004 - 14:35:24 GMT
Hi,
First time here. Am enjoying the trash can v Mozart exchange.
I'm no big fan of the trash can bangers, but it seems to me that Platt is
falling into the trap of the shim and beer can, as related in ZMM. My guess
is his complaint is more against the medium than the art. The can bangers
generate some pretty intricte sounds, both in rhythm and tone. Would a nice
set of finely-tuned kettle drums, with concert percussionists to "bang"
them, be more palatable?
Best,
Mark Heyman
> Hi Mark,
>
> > But this is not to dismiss the experience of the way for those who can
> > appreciate trash can music. Trash can music is in the moment just as
> > listening to Mozart's Symphony No. 38 is in the moment, and that can be
a
> > good thing for insight.
>
> All art is "in the moment" but that doesn't mean all art is good. "In the
> moment" can be a very bad moment, like banging trash cans. :-)
>
> > I have played in a Samba band and found the experience one of the most
> > Dynamic in my life.
>
> Go for it. Surely you wouldn't put Samba music on the same quality level
> as banging trash cans?
>
> > Now i wish to state that i feel it to be an absolute moral imperative
for
> > those of higher Quality to help those of lower Quality.
>
> Why? Where does that "moral imperative" come from? Not from the MOQ that I
> can see. Please cite the basis for your moral imperative, if there is
> one.
>
> > So, if i can use
> > trash can music as a point of entry into Mozart's Symphony No. 38, then
it
> > is moral that i should do it.
>
> I'd find it more moral to to use Mozart's Symphony as a point of entry.
> Why start at the bottom?
>
> >That it can be done i have little doubt, for
> > the way is the important feeling to convey, not the static patterns of
the
> > music. If we are lucky to be able to appreciate the best in art, we must
> > never dismiss those who cannot. I feel that to be immoral.
>
> I ask again. Is there a basis in the MOQ for a moral imperative to "help"
> others appreciate the best in art?
>
> > And now to the matter of spirit. Poets talk of the spirit, but there is
no
> > spirit in the MoQ - no substantial spirit which adheres through change.
>
> No Spirit in the MOQ? If DQ isn't Spirit I don't know what is. Other names
> for DQ -- Atman, Brahman, God, Self, Soul, the Divine, etc. not to mention
> Light, Love, Beauty, Emptiness, No-thing-ness, Infinite, the conceptually
> unknown, etc.
>
> > The
> > only force is DQ, with a cloud of static patterns atmospherically
clinging
> > to the cutting edge of reality. The weather changes but DQ remains.
>
> As does Spirt, Soul, God, etc.
>
> > Mozart's Symphony No. 38 is a Summers' excellence - trash can music is
an
> > overcast afternoon wish intermittent sunshine.
>
> Mozart's music is perennial excellence. Trash can music is how it
> describes itself -- trash.
>
> Best regards,
> Platt
>
>
>
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