Re: MD MOQ and Islam

From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Sat Feb 21 2004 - 18:58:37 GMT

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    Hi Platt

    I have no problem with the emergence of an 'Other'
    within experience. I see the cosmos as evolving
    from a One to the Many. This is a matter of differentiation,
    complexity, evolution, and also alienation. But if we originate from a One,
    then
    there is always the possibility of withdrawing from dualism, or leaping
    across it to experience union in a new way, or at a different level.
    Non-dual unity is easy for children, but when attained in
    maturity is more of an achievement and contains a more reflective
    complexity. In a way such adult experience is not so much
    pre-language as beyond language, but consequently, also
    containing the achievements and experience of language but getting
    beyond it, perhaps we need to think about this less in terms
    of language's abstract symbols and more about the way language
    makes understanding possible, does not all ganuine understanding
    imply a non-dualistic leap over the divide from self to other.

    regards
    David M

    regards
    David M

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Platt Holden" <pholden@sc.rr.com>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 4:34 PM
    Subject: Re: MD MOQ and Islam

    > Hi David M,
    >
    > > Hi Platt
    > >
    > > Well, anything non-dualistic. Intellect usually involves
    > > some binary thinking and analysis. So to value mystical
    > > and non-dual experience is to value undivided Quality,
    >
    > To value one's direct experience prior to language is, I agree, a "mystic
    > value."
    >
    > > feelings of Oneness, intuition, poetic moments, sudden
    > > inspiration from nowhere, love, connections, empathy,
    > > nothingness, musical engagement, the sweet spot,
    > > non self-reflective activity of high excellence. Union, religious
    > > experiences, awe, etc.
    > > That sort of thing I would suggest.
    >
    > When you introduce love, connections, empathy and union you presume an
    > "other" which becomes dualism. But, no matter. Feelings of "goodness,
    > truth and beauty" regardless our inability to fully express them because
    > of their non-dual nature, qualify I think for "mystic values."
    >
    > Thanks for an enlightening response.
    >
    > Best,
    > Platt
    >
    >
    >
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