From: David Buchanan (DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org)
Date: Sat Feb 28 2004 - 03:48:24 GMT
DM said:
..IT IS LIKE NOTHINGNESS, AND THEREFORE QUALITY AS PIRSIG DISCUSSES IN
RELATION TO EASTERN THOUGHT, UNDIFFERENTIATED EVERYTHING IS VERY CLOSE TO OR
EVEN EQUAL TO NOTHINGNESS,..
"Some of the most honored philsophers in history have been mystics:
Plotinus, Swedenborg, Loyola, Shankaracharya and many others. They share a
common belief that the fundamental nature of reality os outside language;
that language splits things up into parts while the true nature of reality
is undivided. Zen, which is a mystic religion, argues that the illusion of
dividedness can be overcome by meditation. The Native American Church argues
that peyote can force-feed a mystic understanding upon those who were
normally resistant to it,..." LILA (ch 5)
DM said:
..I SUSPECT YOU ARE MORE LIKELY TO UNDERSTAND PIRSIG IF YOU HAVE DONE GERMAN
IDEALISM THAN ANALYTICAL PHILOSOPHY.
"Phaedrus remembered Hegel had been regarded as a bridge between Western and
Oriental philosophy. The Vedanta of the Hindus, the Way of the Taoists, even
the Buddha had been described as an absolute monism similar to Hegel's
philosophy. Phaedrus doubted at the time, however, whether mystical Ones and
metaphysical monisms were introconvertable since mystical Ones follow no
rules and metaphysical monisms do. His Quality was a metaphysical entity,
not a mystic one. Or was it? What was the difference?" ZAMM (ch 20)
DM said:
....I THINK AFTER 17 YEARS OF GERMAN PHILOSOPHY I HAVE A GOOD GRASP OF THE
REAL COMPLEXITY OF SOM,...
dmb says:
David, I'm just saying yep, yep and here's a question. I can't locate the
quote at the moment, but Pirsig puts some distance between the MOQ and any
"Hegalian Absolutues". Maybe you know the one? Anyway, I've often wondered
EXACTLY what that means. If you've spent 17 years on the Germans, surely
you're the man to ask aboout "Hegalian Absolutes". If you can provide a
clear and detailed explanation, I believe it would be a forum first. I mean,
I'd bet lots of people would like to read such a thing. Thanks.
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