From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Sun Feb 29 2004 - 21:10:06 GMT
Hi
Saw that coming, not very deep thinking
is it? Of course, my criticism only applies
where basic needs are met, problem in a lot
of poor coutries is stuff like growing exotic fruit for
western markets and therefore they do not meet local food needs,
bad government you say -often propped up by
western support. Problem with money determining
markets determining quality is the initial starting point
of inequality, so no democracy there with a few
market big spenders determining what we have to spend
our time producing. If only markets were really free.
The huge levels of ignorance leads to great sales of Britney
and poor salers of Mozart, but I thought you were on my side there.
Now sure, capitalism has had a role in creating more freedom, better
record than Soviet communism, but I want more freedom than now,
let's never rest in the struggle for DQ & freedom. Above all we
need to have proper democratic control over the major resources
and productive powers in our society, no more corporate moral
vacuum.
regards
DM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Platt Holden" <pholden@sc.rr.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: MD When is a metaphysics not a metaphysics?
> Hi David M,
>
> > I feel this is so out of date.
> > How much human work right now
> > goes on food, shelter, clothing? 1%, less probably.
> > So what is going on in this strange world of ours?
> > Let's think of all the work we do that produces
> > things that have no quality at all shall we.
>
> I don't think it's out of date in Haiti and a thousand other places in the
> world today. Nor do I think that modern capitalist countries produce a lot
> of things of no quality. In a free market, what gets produced has value to
> those willing to pay for the effort of making it. Would you suggest some
> group or other dictate what has value for the rest of us, like the
> commissars of Communist Russia? I pray not.
>
> Regards,
> Platt
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Platt Holden" <pholden@sc.rr.com>
> > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 1:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: MD When is a metaphysics not a metaphysics?
> >
> >
> > > Poot,
> > >
> > > > This is what I 'need' in my life now: Money, _work_. These are
two
> > > > things, which one is FORCED into.
> > >
> > > Are you complaining? As human beings we're forced to work so we can
have
> > > food, shelter and clothing which unfortunately do not drop as manna
from
> > > heaven. Of course, YOUR CAN CHOOSE NOT TO WORK and go on welfare in
which
> > > case somebody else has to work to keep you from starving. Or, you can
> > > relieve the burden on others and preserve a semblance of personal
dignity
> > > by refusing to accept a handout.
> > >
> > > As my grandfather use to say, "If you don't work, you don't eat," a
> > > truism that most Americans in the Victorian age took to heart and
helped
> > > build a prosperous, free country.
> > >
> > > Platt
>
>
>
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