From: Wim Nusselder (wim.nusselder@antenna.nl)
Date: Tue Mar 09 2004 - 07:30:23 GMT
Dear Matthew P.,
You propose 9 Mar 2004 00:59:35 -0500 to discuss 'all aspects of moving
beyond what we are and what we have now'.
In MoQish that reads for me as: 'How do we and how can we move beyond static
patterns of value' or 'how do and can we experience Dynamic Quality'.
For you reading 'Islandia' (written by whom and when?) changed your mindset.
The quotes you provided didn't change my mindset. It is very difficult for
me even to understand how and why that book made you 'move beyond' what you
were. That may have been because they were just a few quotes. More probably
it was because I started out from another mindset than you when you first
read it.
Maybe you should decribe your mindset before and after and what were the
essential changes for you, to make me understand.
The main lesson is, I think, that 'how to move beyond' depends on
where/how/what you are at present. Dynamic Quality depends on pre-existing
static patterns of value.
I have written before on this list, that I recognize three different types
of human activity that are meant to reach beyond the highest available level
of static quality: religion, art and science. For me (Quaker) religion is
most important.
I don't think it is wise to state that one of these activities as a whole is
not a valid way of 'reaching beyond'. It would be better to recognize
that -if you experience it that way- you probably have in mind subsets of
that activity (e.g. dogmatic religion, art-pour-l'art, SOM-based science)
that may have that role for others who are elsewhere on a path to DQ even if
it doesn't have that role for you.
I've changed your metaphor of 'moving beyond' into 'reaching beyond'. We
need a foothold in static patterns of value to be able to experience Dynamic
Quality. It is only when Dynamic Quality has left new static patterns of
value in its wake that we can let go of that foothold, that we can move on.
Discussing 'how to move beyond' requires at least a description of
where/how/what we are at present.
It is our ability to phantasize, to create utopia's in our mind (and for
others: on paper, e.g. for you 'Islandia') that enables us to see the lack
of Quality in where/how/what we are at present and to realize the need and
possibility to move beyond.
Discussing 'how to move beyond' not only requires sharing where you move
from, but also where you want to move to.
The only thing we can neither describe nor discuss is ... the 'moving
beyond' itself. The experience of Dynamic Quality stays undefined.
With friendly greetings,
Wim
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