From: Matthew Poot (mattpoot@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Mar 11 2004 - 19:38:50 GMT
ok jon and platt,
Now, I could have gone and given you 2 683, 923 other factors contributing
to the pollution, but, I decided to use the SUV, because it is a prime
target.
There are some comments, that just singe me with ignorance, and arrogance,
so here goes:
JON: I also don't really agree with the other sentiments of your post. Earth
is
> > not in trouble. This planet is four and a half billion years old. Earth
has
> > survived forces that are slightly more damaging than SUVs
Poot: Earth Is Not In Trouble? Ok, maybe earth can recover......one day,
since what we know is a relatively short period of time. BUT,
BUT!!! The idea is for HUMANS to remain LIVING on earth. I am not speaking
about "mother earth" only, but for humanity on a whole .. IF you think
that "we are not in trouble, there is pollution, but its not really THAT big
of a problem" then you are a fool. I will not be afraid to use that term.
Why is this? Have you studied biology, or any other aspects of science? I
have. My senior report was on environmental estrogens (hormones, and other
human affecting compounds which are un-naturally produced by man). This
study alone, scared the shit out of me. If only you knew how many toxins,
pesticides, hormones, pollutants, and other things are in our bodies. many
thousands. We can not rid ourselves of them, because our bodies have no
natural solution to this, as it has not been present in the last 10000 years
of homosapien development.
If you want me to say more, I could go on, and on, and on. Other proofs I
have, will only further verify my standpoint. What can you say, that will
verify that the FUTURE health of humanity is not endangered??? Where do you
get this proof???
Please, tell me, Platt and Jon......I would really be interested to know.
Maybe the reason all of the buildings in cities are blackened, is because
they got burnt by the sun.....right??? It couldn't be anything
else......no........
Go ahead, begin.
POOT
NUMBER1:
----- Original Message -----
From: Platt Holden <pholden@sc.rr.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: MD Beyond
> Hi Jon,
>
> > In a message dated 3/9/2004 8:22:12 PM Central Standard Time,
> > mattpoot@hotmail.com writes:
> > Also, many of the
> > vehicles being driven are not that bad, and if you have a pickup truck,
or
> > an SUV (OH NO!!!) , I dont realllly care, _____As long as you(whoever)
uses
> > it!!! ____ SUVs and pickups shouldn't be driven by
> > soccer-moms(stereotype-yet, I witness it multiple times daily) and the
> > like, in urban and suburban areas. I think Pirsig and the MOQ has
something
> > to say about this. One of the things that makes American society so
dynamic
> > is, well, seeing soccer-moms driving SUVs everyday. I don't see anything
> > wrong with this kind of Dynamic Quality.
> >
> > I also don't really agree with the other sentiments of your post. Earth
is
> > not in trouble. This planet is four and a half billion years old. Earth
has
> > survived forces that are slightly more damaging than SUVs. I can name
some
> > of them: cometary impacts, volcanic eruptions, whole continents moving,
> > violent upheavals too horrible to think of witnessing--Earth survived it
> > all. Human beings are not God. Human beings can not control the weather.
> > Ants have more of an impact on a person's front yard than we do on
Earth's
> > environment.
> >
> > Earth takes care of herself.One hundred years seems long to us humans
(one
> > hundred years ago we didn't have cars, airplanes, computers, etc), but
to
> > the Earth one hundred years is NOTHING. A million years is nothing.
Earth
> > lives and breathes on a much vaster scale (to quote a character from
> > Jurassic Park).
> >
> > Soccer moms are like Lila (in a way)--they DO have Quality (and Quality
has
> > them). Jon
>
> I'm with you, Jon. Environmentalists do more harm in good. Example: 2
> million Africans dies every year from malaria which could easily be
> eradicated by use of DDT. But anti-pesticide zealots have convinced the
> World Health Organization to ban DDT.
>
> Environmentalism is a religion. One of the defining features of religion
> is that your beliefs are not troubled by facts and that you possess some
> great truth denied to the rest of us.
>
> In my book, radical environmentalists are watermelon Marxists (green
> outside, red inside) out to destroy capitalism and freedom.
>
> My guess is that Pirsig would put environmentalists in the same category
> as Rigel and others posing as moralists, "Full of great ways for others to
> improve without any expense to themselves." (Lila-7)
>
> Regards,
> Platt
>
>
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