From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Fri Mar 19 2004 - 13:57:33 GMT
Hi Mark,
Your wrote:
> > 4 and 5. A coherent relationship to DQ. Coherent state of the static
> > repertoire. a. A coherent relationship with DQ is a description of an
> > aesthetic sense of beauty, in which static patterns of Quality maintain
> > or reach a high Quality relationship with Dynamic Quality.
>
> This I still have trouble understanding. Can it be explained in 10 words or
> less, like "Dynamic Quality is a response to beauty." ? ?
>
> Mark 18-03-04: Beauty is a coherent patterned relationship with Dynamic
> Quality. (9 words).
Great. Now I'm confused as to the meaning of 'coherent pattern' because if
you mean by 'coherent' something that is 'logical,' beauty is
inexplicable in logical terms. If you mean be 'coherent' something that is
'ordered,' then 'pattern' becomes redundant because patterns by definition
are ordered. I'm not just being nit-picky for the fun of it; I'm really
trying to grasp your concept.
> Mark 18-03-04: Well, my working definition of beauty as a coherent
> patterned relationship with Dynamic Quality was developed in The edge of
> chaos, which i believe you have read? In diagrammatic form it looks like
> this: Event stream (DQ as source - SODV) --------> Coherence (beauty)
> <-------- Evolution. (DQ as goal - Lila.) The higher the coherence the
> greater the beauty. (Mystical reality may be described as very exceptional
> coherence.)
Yes, I've read your essay and found much of it enlightening. But I'm still
hung up on things like 'event stream,' and 'coherence' which you now
equate with 'beauty.' If beauty is the same as coherence, then your 9 word
definition becomes "Beauty is a beautiful patterned relationship with DQ."
Would that be correct?
> Mark 18-03-04: I have tried to address this, but note: Science does not
> prescribe value to biodiversity. However, the MoQ does indicate the value
> of diversity as ability to respond Dynamically. You conveniently bypass
> this issue. Shame! Shame! ;-)
Do you have a reference where the MOQ "indicates the value of diversity as
ability to respond to DQ?" My understanding is that today only an
individual human being can respond to DQ.
Best to you,
Platt
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