From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Fri Mar 26 2004 - 18:25:43 GMT
Hi
It is surely a question of whether a pattern has exhausted its
use and dynamic potential as I see it. This is how things seem to work.
Say nationalism comes along as an idea, it works well for some time,
but stuck to in certain circumstances it becomes negative.
Or in evolution, gaining energy via photosynthesis was great for
evolution for a while, loads of different plants emerge, then to move on
the photosynthesis has to be superseded by the evolution of other means.
Looks like the benefits of science have started to become more questionable
these days, do we need to find some other way of progressing our social
evolution? Maybe capitalism has delivered most of its capacity up now and
new approaches are required. We seem to cut things up one way for a while,
push it to its limits, as polar as possible, and then we have to move
on to a new binary possibility and push the poles out again but keeping
some of the gains we made with the earlier differentiations.
regards
David M
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From: Leland Jory
To: moq_discuss@moq.org
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 1:25 PM
Subject: MD MOQ and Religion [was quality religion]
Wim, you're right. I was getting off thread there. So, I'm starting a new thread on this.
I said:
Religion, IMO, is simply a complex combination of static (mainly) q-social and (partly) q-intellectual patterns. Where most religions seem to go wrong is, they stop responding to DQ.
Matt replied:
Yes, don't you think though that almost anything in life can turn into this? Maritial Arts for example is a way of life for some people. It holds the same qualities you listed (a complex combination of static patterns, social, and partly intellectual patterns). Yet some arts focus on building DQ from the SQ. I do agree with you that most religions stop responding to DQ, but not all. I guess IMO anything can turn into a religion in the sense that you described it, and would this be bad as long as the DQ kept flowing?
What I was talking about was when the static structure becomes so central that no change is possible. True, some religions aren't as DQ-blind but many of the mainstream ones are.
This forum is a perfect example (not to knock it at all, I love reading in here) but we may have people that live by the MOQ that you could consider it a religion to them. I guess now then the argument turns to definitions of religion, but that fact of that matter is that people exist in this forum that will fight for this philosophy to the ground.
I suppose the difference here is: We're right ;^{)>. Seriously, though. We argue in favor of the MOQ because it seems to encompass all other religions and philosophies (and science and art as well). I would argue that anyone who has turned the MOQ into a religion has missed the point of the MOQ. Any takers?
Many academic philosophers completly ignore DQ. All they really do is sit around waiting to shoot somebody else's work down, while never allowing their own work to grow. Don't get me wrong DQ can stem from a debate about the MOQ and other metaphysics, that's what we do here. You can learn more about your beliefs or values by defending them. Let me know what ya think
I disagree. As soon as you take too strong a defensive stance, you've already missed the DQ boat. Being open to DQ is all about being open to new experience. If you put a wall around the MOQ and feel the need to defend it, then you're no longer responding to DQ. All you're doing is clinging to a particular set of static value patterns.
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Leland Jory :^{)>
Cafeteria Spiritualist and Philosopher
"It is a puzzling thing. The truth knocks on the door and you say, 'Go away, I'm looking for the truth.' and so it goes away. Puzzling." - Robert Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
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