From: Matthew Poot (mattpoot@hotmail.com)
Date: Sun Mar 28 2004 - 00:42:11 GMT
Hello Matt, all
I have not been following this discussion, but I have some things to comment
about.
Matt: But when Pirsig says that it's values all the way down, it's the same
thing as saying that it's bias all the way down.
..defining facts as high quality intellectual patterns of _value_ is the
same as saying that the notion of an "unbiased fact" is empty...
(-Poot-) Could you please Explain what you mean by this, as I do not fully
understand what you mean to say here.
Matt: 1) though I may think the "existing acquisitive and profit-motivated
society" is endanger of losing it's soul, I don't think any "radical change
in methods, controls and motives" being instituted would help in recovering
our soul
(-Poot-) Do you think radical change implies radical, in the temporal sense?
Also, how do you view this "losing of soul" as , more specifically, Do you
view the "losing of soul" as the change from the "existing acquisitive ad
profit-motivated society" to something else, or vice versa?
Matt: 2) If "a socialized and cooperative economic order" means the type of
central planning effectively lambasted by Friedrich Hayek, then count me
out. If it means the usual welfare system that _all_ capitalist nations
have found is impossible to function without (don't forget corporate
welfare, righties), then count me in.
(-Poot-) Do you think that capitalism supports anything other than
cetralization? Currently, what state would you say the welfare system is
in?
3) If a "free and universal society" and a "shared life in a shared world"
mean something like what Marx meant it, count me out, but if it means
something like the utopia Jesus sketched out, count me in.
(-Poot-) What would you think of the "shared life in a shared world" that
exists as we speak(write;-). When you look at it, we really do live in a
shared world (how can you not?). I do not however believe that we have
shared life (I.E. slavery, inequality, etc).
Matt> Here's to hope,
Cheers!
Poot
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