From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Fri Apr 23 2004 - 21:09:54 BST
Hi Dave
Well precisely, in all the faiths there are battles going on between
the literalists and those who see these sort of cultural forms as closer to
art
than science. Thing is,once you have seen your way out of literalism there
is no going back as Hegel was the first to point out I believe. I agree with
Leland,
in that, there is some good art about being and being human in all
religions,
but also some bad art too, nothing so contradictory there. My hope is that
post-religion, post-Christianity (in the West), post-science, and
post-modern critical thinking,
etc there is a post-secularism, where we can rediscovered our lost sources
of value,
and the transcendental value of being.
regards
David M
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Storey" <storeyd@bc.edu>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>; <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: MD quality religion
> Leland, i think what Wim is trying to convey is that "religious pluralism"
(the belief that, at bottom, either all religions are true, or all religions
say the same thing), which is what you seem to be championing, is, albeit a
feel-good, humanitarian view that is morally superior to religious
absolutism, ultimately an untenable position. Why? Because it tries to
iron out the qualitative differences between certain religions, especially
the historical claims of the monotheisms. You simply cannot reconcile the
claims of some religions with those of others, if you really take those
faiths, the claims they make, and the adherents to that faith, seriously.
An authentic Christain is someone who believes that the one true god died on
a cross two thousand years ago in Judea, and therefore, that means that the
Muslims believe in a false prophet, that the Jews are in denial, and that
the Eastern world, in total, is caught in a mystical quagmire of psychosis,
fleeing from reality.!
> ..so the pluralist can't come and say all religions are the same, because
they aren't. In the end, this is a suspension of judgment, a smoothing out
of the problem. it doesn't work. Monotheisms draw lines in the sand of
other people's beaches, and for that reason, we need to jettison the
"literalist" faiths that marginalize others, and that means scrapping the
monopolizing monotheisms.
> -Dave
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