RE: MD Religion of the future.

From: storeyd (storeyd@bc.edu)
Date: Sun Apr 25 2004 - 03:58:25 BST

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    Mark,

    I wanted to add a supplement to dmb's cogent explanation of transpersonality
    and the spiritual domain. Your reaction--namely, nervousness--is the way that
    both modernity and postmodernity typically react to "eastern stuff." The
    problem breaks down somewhat like this: with the differentiation of the three
    primary modes of being-in-the-world, namely, I, we, and it, or subjective,
    intersubjective, and objective, or the three domains of knowledge, art,
    morals, and science, each branch of knowledge is freed up from the claims of
    all the others (what the MOQ calls teh social level), and they are free to
    explore and develop as they please. however, the latter, science, has
    developed so much faster than the others, not only because its effects and
    verification are visible , efficient, and "practical, but because it usurped
    the proper place of the first two branches, even denied their existence. as
    wilber typically puts it, the enlightenment was all about making maps of
    reality, joyfully enacting the representational paradigm...but the vast
    majority of these maps leave out the mapmaker. as kierkegaard said in
    reference to hegel, the system is a great and grand and wonderful castle, but
    it has not room for the philosopher who built it. or as habermas puts it,
    the third branch of knowledge "colonized" the lifeworld of the individual and
    the collective, materializing and economizing aesthetic and moral experience.
    however, while habermas and critical theory in general has all but exhausted
    the critique of modernity and reached the limits of postmodernity (which is
    another way of saying the limits of REASON), they have nothing positive to put
    in its place, because they have not yet lifted that have been upheld for
    centuries agaisnt the concrete, practical reality of individual levels of
    consciousness that transcend reason, which brings me to mark's reaction. as
    wilber shows to a much fuller degree than pirsiq, that nervousness, that
    angst, that fear, uncertainty, etc., which the thought, even the mention, of
    the transpersonal/transrational inspiries, is in fact not only the death
    throws of reason, but the death throes of the ego. what you have to see if
    that the ego, the self-concept, personhood, etc., is really just one form of
    awareness, a derivative one that comes after the fact, as pirsig demonstrates
    with the hot stove experiement. furthermore, this notion of personhood is
    perfectly linked with the emergence of perspectival reason, which is where our
    good old friend SOM first becomes possible. again, this is what we call
    modern cognition; remember, before modernity, the individual is not the
    primary source of identity; you are a member of the tribe before you are a
    person, properly speaking. so what am i saying? that reason and personhood
    are the parents of SOM, and, even though they are the latest development in
    the evolution of consciousness, the most recent static pattern of human
    cognition, they believe that they are the ceiling of development, the end;
    this is why habermas, critical theory, postmodernism, and contemporary
    philosophy in general can go absolutely nowhere, can generate nothing positive
    until they realize that their nervousness about transpersonal cognition,
    mystical experience, AND EASTERN THOUGHT IN GENERAL, is merely a product of
    forms of cognition whose partiality they have critiqued they hell out of.
    Kant saw this, but he had the bias as well. so, to derrida's famous charge,
    that western thought in general has sufferred from a "phallologophonocentric
    bias" needs to supplemented by another: the rational bias, which does not
    admit, and severely frowns upon, higher, transpersonal levels of awareness.
    the problem , of course, is that the only people who think about these things
    that have any attempt to change the course of collective thought are
    philosophy professors, who work in a highly politically charged industry where
    any adherence to transpersonality, spirituality, etc, is not only laughed at,
    but is a quick and sure root to professional ruin. therefore, only rogues
    like wilber and pirsig are free from the slings and arrows of philosophology,
    and their patient and passionate wisdom will hopefully permeate the palace of
    postmodern philosophy, and maybe even politics too, though both, especially
    the latter, are extremely unlikely. but to wrap this up, when we talk about
    the spiritual domain, what we're really saying is that real religious
    experience is not about the exteriors, the customs, rites, historical truth
    claims, etc. of any particular religion (the social level aspects), it's about
    the individual experience, awareness, etc., and the religious forms are merely
    a springboard towards individual development, to transcend the static
    patterns. another way of saying this is that real spirituality is about the
    internal, rather than the external, and the reason you feel nervous about this
    stuff is that we live in a social world that for the most part refused to
    believe in internality in any form, which is precisely why we all feel so
    self-alienated, depoliticized, dehumanized, etc., why we are, to put it
    bluntly, a prozac nation. hope that clears some things up.
    -Dave
    >Hello dmb,
    >Great post. I agree with Wilbur's overview.
    >But when transpersonal consciousness and the spiritual domain are mentioned
    >i become nervous. I don't understand what these terms mean? They may not
    >mean what i assume they mean in Wilbur's quote?
    >
    >For Wilbur, is transpersonal consciousness theoretical? Is the spiritual
    >domain a theory?
    >
    >All the best,
    >Mark

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